I would hope they adopt Tor at some point. That would be awesome. Why shouldn't they?
Why should they? Tor is managed by the Tor Project. It is bundled & shipped as TBB already, using Firefox. You already can use it if you want to, so why would they bother with implementing Tor in the mainstream version of Firefox? They could only offer it as option (because not everyone wants to use Tor all the time) and this option is already satisfied.
So that it is more accessible to "normal" people and so that onion links would "just work"
Catalan here. Your ID is bound to a place to vote based on "where you live" registration. You can't just vote from anywhere.
> You can't just vote from anywhere. I'm not in any way saying you should be able to. You can't in my country either. I'm just surprised that you need your ZIP & ID & DO to find out where you vote, because in my country you can find out where you vote with only your ZIP.
yes, you can simply check where to vote based on your zip code. The ID is needed for another, independent, check, to verify whether you are actually on the list of voters for that school.
I just left Barcelona a couple hours ago, the capital of Catalonia. Everywhere you look, Catalan flags, signs demanding 'democracia', demanding freedom. I'm told this is just normal for the region, but if this is normal then independence is eventual.
Actually, only slightly less than 50% wants independence. They are very vocal though. Also, since education in Catalonia is entirely in Catalonian (also they have their own history books), and use of Spanish in public is heavily discouraged, children will grow up in a mostly Catalonian environment, which makes it likely that that percentage will grow over time.
The best "measure" we have right now for the percentage of independentists (and the one I assume you're implicitly citing) were the last Catalan elections the 27th of september of 2015. There are two problems with that measure:
- That was two years ago
- Even then, that was a parlamentary election, not a referendum.
This I think it is reasonable to demand a proper referendum, whether you want independence or not.
You are told your voting place and the specific table inside that place.
> and the specific table inside that place. Ohhhhhhh, is that the information I'm missing? So you have to know both the building you vote in and the specific table you need to go to? In the UK, you just turn up at the the right building and there are signs to guide you from there. You don't need to know in advance what table to vote from. (Unless it's changed recently - I've had a postal vote the last 2 elections. Ca…
you can still vote if you know only the building, but it is more cumbersome because you'd have to check your name on the list for each table. I've done it once, and it takes easily more than 2h to find your table (mainly because there is often a lot of people who don't know their table either).
I just left Barcelona a couple hours ago, the capital of Catalonia. Everywhere you look, Catalan flags, signs demanding 'democracia', demanding freedom. I'm told this is just normal for the region, but if this is normal then independence is eventual.
Well, it is normal since independentists have controlled Catalunya since 40 years ago. It used to be that 20% of the population was independentist through, now is over 50%. For example, they choosed school principals among independentist so now over 85% of them are Catalan language teachers that tend to be independentist. This way kids could be directed to be independentist too. The same happened with the local media…
Are you implying that catalans brought muslims to work there and that now terrorism is because of that? Aren't you aware this is a global problem and that the catalan government had nothing to do with it?
You shouldn't make such bold statements, less without providing any sort of evidence.
I never felt the need to downvote in HN until I read this.
> studing a very biased History full of lies like that Catalunuya was a reign in the past. I'm not sure what do you mean but Catalonia was in fact a reign in the past (please correct me if I am wrong): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia
I guess he meant kingdom?
Well, it did have kings, and their chronicles were written in Catalan[1].
> The spanish constitution ... was drafted 40 years ago by a Franchist establishment concerned with maintaining a certain degree of continuity. It's not surprising that the people most oppressed by Franco are not particularly happy with the result. Besides, the Wilson doctrine is usually more relevant for this sort of movements than whichever piece of paper is supposed to be law here or there. A population cannot be…
That Constitution was voted in referendum by the whole country, and the support it got in Catalonia was even greater than in Madrid. > the people most oppressed by Franco Let's at least agree that this is subjective.
People voted for a dramatic improvement in the status quo, not necessarily for a perfect document. It was drafted by 7 hand-picked representatives, 4 of which were basically franchists, and ratified by franchist institutions before being put to a popular vote. Had it been written in a more democratic way, by an assembly of people elected democratically, maybe it would have been different and more respectful of different identities; but it wasn’t, because franchist interests were still very strong.
> and the specific table inside that place. Ohhhhhhh, is that the information I'm missing? So you have to know both the building you vote in and the specific table you need to go to? In the UK, you just turn up at the the right building and there are signs to guide you from there. You don't need to know in advance what table to vote from. (Unless it's changed recently - I've had a postal vote the last 2 elections. Ca…
you can still vote if you know only the building, but it is more cumbersome because you'd have to check your name on the list for each table. I've done it once, and it takes easily more than 2h to find your table (mainly because there is often a lot of people who don't know their table either).
I agree that "not voting is also democracy". However I cannot agree about not allowing to vote, which is the case. It's a political issue, which should be solved like it was in Scotland. In the name of what, a group can decide over another on what is it allowed to do? Because of the frontiers made after conquering when using force?
"In the name of what, a group can decide over another on what is it allowed to do?" Of course that a group can decide over another group which is a subset of the former. Otherwise, any city of any country, or any group of individuals, could decide to vote and set their own rules for whatever they want.
"decide over another group which is a subset of the former"
A subset of the former in the name of the frontiers set by a centralist monarch who won a war and forbid language and institutions in Catalonia in 1714. Check the law that supports my comment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nueva_Planta_decrees
"Otherwise, any city of any country, or any group of individuals, could decide to vote and set their own rules for whatever they want." --> And do you think this is wrong? I think self-governance is the future. Not to go against anyone, but to decide more about everything. Not to put a paper in a ballot every 4 years.
> You can't just vote from anywhere. I'm not in any way saying you should be able to. You can't in my country either. I'm just surprised that you need your ZIP & ID & DO to find out where you vote, because in my country you can find out where you vote with only your ZIP.
yes, you can simply check where to vote based on your zip code. The ID is needed for another, independent, check, to verify whether you are actually on the list of voters for that school.
Yes, I think my root problem here is that people are mixing up "Where do I vote?" and "Am I registered to vote?". These are two very different questions with different solutions! Anyway, thanks for your replies.