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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by couchand »

diggan wrote: post #13
kilburn wrote: post #2

Author here. I've tried to keep the article as apolitical as possible, while giving some context to provide the setting. Anyway, I'm very interested in knowing if the used crypto is sound or not, and stirring a discussion around possible alternative approaches. Ask me anything if you want to know further!

Alternative approach: Instead of using the IPFS2HTTP gateways (that can easily be censored, as gateway.ipfs.io has already been censored in Catalunya), run a IPFS daemon locally that cannot be censored (but is not anonymous either). I live in Catalunya and wrote this tool for doing just that, in a easy way. It 1) starts a go-ipfs daemon locally, 2) opens up the referendum website in your default browser, via localhos…

I tried to go get your project, but got a bunch of "unrecognized import path" errors. Looks like you're pulling a dependency off of IPFS, do I need to set something up for that to work correctly?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by DigitalJack »

euyyn wrote: post #205
elecbit wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and after last elections the majority of the Catalan parliament is pro-independence. Instead of proclaming independence, a referendum is proposed, which has the support of 80% of the population in Catalonia.

Yeah I know that. The point I was trying to make is that the referendum wasn't deemed illegal because "the government of Catalonia isn't allowed to ask people's preferences". It is allowed and it happens all the time.

You can do it your own way, if it is done just how I say.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by DigitalJack »

incompatible wrote: post #330
cloakandswagger wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catalonia is one of the highest earning areas of Spain, constituting about 20% of the nation's GDP. Their secession would be about as well received as New York or California's from the US.

I have the impression that quite a few conservatives in the US would be thrilled to see New York and California leave, regardless of the economic implications.

I have been thinking about this as I listen to NPR discuss Catalonia. Not being in Spain or Spanish, I think, what's the big deal, let them become independent.

Then I think about the secession desire of some in California. (I'm on the west coast of US). Personally I don't care. It doesn't really make historical sense, but whatever. Of course the talk is of the whole west coast seceding, and I live in Oregon. I don't want to secede, so that I have a problem with.

I suspect the main issue is money, but the secondary issue would be fear of a slippery slope of secession.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by pvaldes »

monort wrote: post #236
lederhosen wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if they succeed to split would you call it tyranny not to let pockets of Castilian speaking minority areas in Catalonia claim independence? Maybe joining Spain? Where would this end (maybe there are pockets within the pockets within the pockets)? It is a practical shitty situation. Do not make it sound SIMPLE. Do not use the word tyranny when it does not apply. And the rich leaving the poor seems like a right wing…

What's wrong with independence of small groups? The more governments - the more competition. Why are we against big monopolies in every area, except the state services?

> What's wrong with independence of small groups?

The extinction

Being smaller is stupid when you need to compete with much bigger countries in the rest of the world. It doesn't work in the practise.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by hiram112 »

gerdesj wrote: post #326
zanny wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the US has precedent on banning speech that will "incite imminent lawless action". And compared to countries like the UK or Germany they are a bastion of free speech. I agree free speech laws in pretty much every country are unethical because they are arrayed in a way to ban speech that might risk the dissolution of the nation, but every single country has those laws because its governments trying to protect the…

"And compared to countries like the UK or Germany they are a bastion of free speech." Care to elucidate me on what basis that statement lies? I am a UKoGBnNI citizen who has also lived in DE for a few years in the West Germany part in the 70's and 80's and have friends who are native to DE. In the UK we have laws banning inflammatory speech of various types that are clearly categorised and so does Deutschland. Both c…

It appears that Germany, at least, does have laws against hate speech: https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/Germany/2015-H1/ .

Same with the most parts of the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United... .

The US Supreme Court has never allowed something like this in the US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... .

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by _jal »

incompatible wrote: post #330
cloakandswagger wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catalonia is one of the highest earning areas of Spain, constituting about 20% of the nation's GDP. Their secession would be about as well received as New York or California's from the US.

I have the impression that quite a few conservatives in the US would be thrilled to see New York and California leave, regardless of the economic implications.

They would notice pretty quickly. The California GDP is ~2.6 trillion. NY is another 1.4. Together, they're about 20% of the US economy.

And that's before we start thinking about agriculture. Of course, in that scenario, water becomes interesting.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by harperlee »

drdeca wrote: post #349
ktzar wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard pro-independence people twisting facts for over 20 years... Not surprised anymore. Democracy is deciding new law based on current law following people's desires... Like it or not, every day meter of Catalan soil belongs as much to a Catalan woman as to an Andalusian man... Nobody in his right mind would say that Catalonia is an oppressed region by Spain's government... Quite the opposite actually.

> Democracy is deciding new law based on current law following people's desires This does not seem like the correct definition to me. Suppose that a country is an absolute dictatorship, with the exception that the citizens may vote on the color of a bikeshed, and their word goes for the color of the bikeshed regardless of the dictator's preference for the color of the bikeshed, and that this is all enshrined in law.…

You are right in that just voting does not a democracy make. But in the same vein, restricting communication and organization of groups does not immediately a dictatorship make.

The current status is complicated and a failure of politicians' ability to do their job, but the fact is that trying to split the country unilaterally is currently illegal and wrong from at least some very sound points of view (another comment put it very well: Catalonia is as much of the Andalusians as of the Catalans).

So the government is now forced to stop this - they would otherwise be letting Andalusians be robbed. It is their job to block the referendum. It was also their job to avoid this situation by creating avenues of dialogue though... So in my opinion their next task in their job is to resign.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by m-p-3 »

lindner wrote: post #156
m-p-3 wrote: post #151

How does one provide a full mirror/node of an IPFS website? I wouldn't mind sparing some bandwidth and storage.

First install ipfs then run: ipfs pin add QmZxWEBJBVkGDGaKdYPQUXX4KC5TCWbvuR4iYZrTML8XCR and wait for a large amount of data to be pulled in....

Thanks, will do that!

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by logicchains »

amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

>Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Absolute democracy seems to result in an undesirable situation, because do we really want to live in a world that converges towards little selfish islands?

Did you ever consider the possibility that maybe the people in Catalonia somehow work harder/smarter/better than in the other regions of Spain? In which case the rest of Spain would be the selfish ones, wanting to mooch off Catalonia, just like a lazy brother always nagging his richer brother for money. In my experience, often when Person A calls Person B selfish, it's because Person A expects Person B to do something for Person A without Person A doing anything back in return, which to me seems particularly selfish.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by samuel »

jarofgreen wrote: post #212

"In the where to vote? page, you are prompted to enter some of your details: DNI (national id), Birth date, Zip code" Wait a second, can someone from the area explain this? Why on earth do they need your ID number just to tell you where to vote? In my country (UK) 99% of the time all you need is a postcode and you can be told your voting place. (I say 99% because there are a few postcodes that are split across differ…

You are told your voting place and the specific table inside that place.
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