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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Post by legulere »

thinkMOAR wrote: post #56
musha68k wrote: post #9

As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

At this point in time i still wonder why people physically move from one part of the world to another to hear somebody speak. What is wrong with live streaming? (and record, download and re-play)

That’s true for the talks, but there’s a lot going on around the talks.

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Post by vidarh »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #54
vidarh wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The right gets upset over insurance requirements, hard to imagine a real requirement to have a Twitter account. The people who are affected are not voting. EDIT: missed that it affects naturalized citizens too, but see below.

Naturalized citizens vote.

I'd missed that it still affect naturalized citizens too. But by the time they've gained citizenship most of these immigrants will already have given up their information and had a long time to get accustomed to accepting this.

They also not make up nearly a large enough group for it to be likely to have much effect.

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Post by conanbatt »

justaman wrote: post #37
musha68k wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC they had (non mandatory) questions about social media accounts already on the ESTA form last time I flew into NYC in January.

If its not mandatory then whats the problem?

"The U.S. government will ask all citizens on re-entry their last IRS tax filings. Optional. "

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Post by arvinsim »

noinsight wrote: post #33
fiokoden wrote: post #23

Off topic but recently given the option of vacationing in the USA or Japan, well easy choice. Do I want to visit a frightening, privacy invading, oppressive airport, or Japan? I went to Japan. I'll do my very best to avoid travel to USA if possible. Strange that this is what USA wants. Trump has put up a wall, even if it is not yet physical.

Doesn’t Japan fingerprint people at immigration ? (And maybe take their picture?)

I always thought it was standard procedure.

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Post by musha68k »

misiti3780 wrote: post #52
musha68k wrote: post #9

As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

The law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.

The real solution is to finally realise what these dynamics have slowly been amounting to for about 16 years now – a "death by a thousand cuts":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeping_normality

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Post by emiliobumachar »

misiti3780 wrote: post #52
musha68k wrote: post #9

As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

The law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.

"any of them that can get away with doing this will do it"

I'd hope some or even many countries would opt out of these restrictions as an incentive to tourism and business.

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Post by [deleted] »

cr1895 wrote: post #28
sverige wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Many of my high school and college classmates are similarly situated. None of the major social media platforms were founded before I was in my mid-forties, which is why there was never any incentive to start any accounts. I enjoy getting older. It spares me a lot of drama.

>Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Are you not posting here?

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Post by aaron-lebo »

vidarh wrote: post #62
aaron-lebo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naturalized citizens vote.

I'd missed that it still affect naturalized citizens too. But by the time they've gained citizenship most of these immigrants will already have given up their information and had a long time to get accustomed to accepting this. They also not make up nearly a large enough group for it to be likely to have much effect.

You're right. Guess I'm trying to rationalize that something so ridiculous could never happen, but it already is...

Crazy world.

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