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Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by MBCook »

Aunche wrote: post #85
SadWebDeveloper wrote: post #44

The day the movie industry allows me to legally stream a "just released movie" straight to my 4k tv (or my phone), that day, they will have the same or more revenue as before. Until that happen, i would definitely check the ratings/reviews before spending solid amount of money and time on "going" to the cinema.

The movie industry never want that. If you go to a movie theater with your friends, everyone has to buy their own ticket. However, if you can share a movie, a lot of people can split the cost of a single viewing.

The industry is not monolithic. The THEATERS don’t want that, and there are certainly some directors who don’t, but there are plenty of others who would be fine with it.

Having Netflix and Amazon but movies to distribute directly day one may help. They’re offering things to theaters but theaters want to hold the line.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by Sangermaine »

jknoepfler wrote: post #73

Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product. For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demogr…

It sounds like you've been going to the wrong movies, at least for your tastes. You seem to be exclusively seeing blockbusters. Maybe you'd prefer smaller, less action-focused films.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by paganel »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #69
slg wrote: post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

>If you ask people why they don't go to the movies more they will often cite the idea that there is nothing new they haven't seen before I have literally never heard someone say this >(besides the complaints you hear about prices) Yup, there it is. But also, to watch a movie in the cinema I often have to sit in uncomfortably off-center chairs. I can't adjust the volume if I think it's too loud, I can't pause the movi…

> If you ask people why they don't go to the movies more they will often cite the idea that there is nothing new they haven't seen before

I've started skipping a lot of the super-hero movies because they started being all the same to me ("Wonder Woman" was a little different and more interesting, fortunately). The same goes for most of the action moves being filmed today, which pains me to say it because I'm a huge fan of guys like John McTiernan and the way action movies were made in the '80s - early '90s. Maybe it's because I'm getting older? (I'm in my mid-30s now).

I actually like the experience of going to the cinema, with all that it implies, is almost like a ritual. Some people wait for Sunday to come so that they could go to church the same way as I wait for the weekend to come so that I can go to the movies. It would be nice though if tickets were a little less expensive, with that I totally agree.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by MBCook »

criddell wrote: post #68
PopsiclePete wrote: post #48

Movies lately: * Generic Super-Hero Movie A. * Generic Super-Hero Movie B. Different title from A, yet actually identical plot and sometimes actors. * A new CG cartoon "for the whole family". They haven't had an original idea since Wall-E. * Generic block-buster action movie with robots and/or ninjas or ninja-robots, explosions, Chevrolet placement ads, and at least 2 pairs of extremely shapely female breasts. * Gene…

> TV is much better, with lots more variety That's pretty interesting. TV used to be the home for schlock and quality story telling was mostly done by movies. These days, if you want to tell a substantial story with depth, you do it on television. Movies are to television as short stores are to novels.

Yeah, it’s flipped. Part of that is more control when working for TV, part of it is the ability to tell a story in more than 120m. Let’s you explore much deeper things or have way more character development.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by NumberCruncher »

rgbrenner wrote: post #54

No one is killing the movie industry. Here are the stats: http://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/MPAA-Theatric...

The doc starts with a picture of a stupid time-travel sci-fi nonsense, ends with a picture of a stupid magic-monster harrypotter nonsense, in the middle with a picture of the remake of The magnificent seven. Which was the remake of Kurosawa's The 7 samurai. This is only entertaining if you are 14 or you have spent the last 35 years in a cave without contact to the outside world. What is killing the movie industry again?

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by Sangermaine »

paganel wrote: post #89
slg wrote: post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

> A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyone. The end result is something that tries to be bland, uninteresting, and inoffensive. As an avid movie goer, that is a horrible result. I would much rather see a movie that takes risks and fails than something with little ambition outside turning a profit. I've just finished watching for the second time a non-bland and pretty-offensive (at least for…

>A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyone. The end result is something that tries to be bland, uninteresting, and inoffensive.

This is demonstrably untrue. Here is a link (along the left column) of the top RT movies for each year from 2014-2016:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/

Sure there are some blockbusters, but there are also many excellent, interesting, engaging, even daring films like Moonlight, Hell or Highwater, Manchester by the Sea, Brooklyn, Mad Max: Fury Road, It Follows, Boyhood, Nightcrawler, and Birdman. And those are just among the top 10 scores for each year; if you expanded to movies in the 90% range of each year you'd have a large number of excellent choices.

I couldn't find a list of the top-rated RT movies for 2017, but (I think) currently the highest-rated among them is Get Out, a film specifically made to be the precise opposite of "bland, uninteresting, and inoffensive".

I submit that you simply choose to watch bad movies.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by notadoc »

Perhaps the movie industry is to blame for releasing tons of garbage movies and rehashing tired ideas. They pour a lot of effort into blockbusters and then many decent movies fall under the radar, often to be discovered through, oddly enough, RT or IMDB, or word of mouth.

Meanwhile, shows on Netflix and HBO are very popular, quite good, and manage to have good RT ratings.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by hrktb »

MBCook wrote: post #84
Sir_Substance wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you ask people why they don't go to the movies more they will often cite the idea that there is nothing new they haven't seen before I have literally never heard someone say this >(besides the complaints you hear about prices) Yup, there it is. But also, to watch a movie in the cinema I often have to sit in uncomfortably off-center chairs. I can't adjust the volume if I think it's too loud, I can't pause the movi…

The way things are setup is also designed to make me feel like I’m being ripped off. Go to see a brand new very popular movie. They know high ticket prices scare people away, so I can easily get tickets for $9/each (no 3D) for most films. That’s perfectly fair. A small bottle of water is $6. A small popcorn is like $10. So the total cost is about $25 but most of that is hidden in two cheap/basic snacks. How about jus…

Is there such a pressure to buy snacks ? 2h without eating doesn’t feel so difficult.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by yahna »

fusiongyro wrote: post #30
yahna wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. Well millions and millions of other people do, so why should the movie companies cater to you instead?

If those people do, why are the studio executives complaining? Perhaps it's because "Ticket revenue was down at least 12 percent, and ticket sales were at their lowest point for the season in 10 years. Audiences did not want to see remakes of old TV shows (bad news for Baywatch and CHIPS). They did not want to see badly reviewed franchise entries (the take for the latest Transformers installment was way down)."[1] (l…

> Audiences did not want to see remakes of old TV shows (bad news for Baywatch and CHIPS).

21/22 jump street suggests the problem isn't with remakes of old shows but rather the quality of the remake. I was interested in baywatch, it got bad reviews so I didn't bother.

People don't want to see bad movies. I'm tired of the idea that comic book movies and sequels are all bad movies.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by kurthr »

platz wrote: post #65
rgbrenner wrote: post #54

No one is killing the movie industry. Here are the stats: http://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/MPAA-Theatric...

and yet the referenced article in the piece [1] doesn't seem to keep the execs from complaining "studio head honchos lay the blame for several months of horrific box office numbers — the worst in 20 years — on the website": [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/business/media/rotten-tom...

Exactly! Proving that movie execs are good at making S#!& up that makes them money... and selling it to the media.
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