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Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

#91

Post by kelnos »

rimantas wrote: post #82
Niten wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best in terms of what exactly? Baseline snarkiness? Most customers don't know, much less care about, the exact version number of their phone's operating system. They care about what the operating system can do for them. But I suppose if Gruber were to compare the actual capabilities of currently available Android systems vs. iOS 4, he would have much less to be snarky about on Apple's behalf.

actual capabilities of currently available Android systems vs. iOS 4 So how many devices are shipping now with Android 2.2 and how many are shipping/getting updated with iOS 4?

2.2 is basically 2.1 with some performance enhancements and a few features sprinkled in here and there. A better question is how many are shipping with >= 2.1?

An even better questions is... who cares? I have an N1 with 2.2 on it. I was happy with it with 2.1 on it. I'm slightly happier with 2.2 on it. I know people with Droids with whatever is on it, and they're happy with it. I know people with Droid Incredibles, and they're happy with what's on that.

Why do you assume that the average smartphone user is always chasing the most recent version of software that may or may not be available for their particular handset? It's all just hypocritical argumentation. On one hand we have the people who say "well you can install CyanogenMod on it" get shot down by others who say "your average user won't install CM," while these same "others" claim that the average user actually gives a damn that they don't have 2.2 yet. I don't think they do. And I think minority who actually does will be informed enough to decide if they want to take the leap and install CM. Probably most won't, but that's their choice.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

#92

Post by ZeroGravitas »

rimantas wrote: post #82
Niten wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best in terms of what exactly? Baseline snarkiness? Most customers don't know, much less care about, the exact version number of their phone's operating system. They care about what the operating system can do for them. But I suppose if Gruber were to compare the actual capabilities of currently available Android systems vs. iOS 4, he would have much less to be snarky about on Apple's behalf.

actual capabilities of currently available Android systems vs. iOS 4 So how many devices are shipping now with Android 2.2 and how many are shipping/getting updated with iOS 4?

Were you asking similar questions the month before iOS4 shipped? Why do you care so much about "now"? The number of Android 2.2 phones being announced recently is astounding but they're not releasing them all together on Apple's yearly iPhone schedule just to make comparison shopping (or pointless internet arguments) easier.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

#93

Post by AlexBlom »

Not surprised. I love my Nexus One, but as soon as you have problems it is a horrible experience. I realize this is HTC's fault, not Google's, but damn.

One month after sending it in for repair they lost the thing twice, sent it back with the same issue and want me to go through it all again!

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

#94

Post by spot »

kloncks wrote: post #23

The best comment I've heard on this news came from John Gruber: "Here’s the list of Android phones you can buy today other than the Nexus One which support Android version 2.2: {}."

iOS4 was announced in January. Froyo was announced in May. I leave the arithmetic to you.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by orangecat »

albemuth wrote: post #68
demo- wrote: post #36

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You should check out cyanogenmod-6.0.0RC1. It's Android 2.2 for G1. I've got it running and my G1 is flying faster than ever.

Any downsides? Does everything work? What about battery life? Might flash my dev phone 1

CM6 has been 100% solid for my Nexus One. I'm getting noticeably better battery life compared to stock 2.1, probably from the JIT compiler needing fewer cycles to do the same operations.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by naturalized »

kelnos wrote: post #83
ericd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a problem in that the old phones should continue to be supported and get the new OS's in a timely fashion. They shouldn't need to worry about which OS is on there, but I think the OS should continue to get better over the life of the phone regardless. I'm not saying it needs to be out there right now, it's more of a question of whether a random model x will ever get it. Some probably won't, even if they can supp…

Why would you expect that to be the case? Can you install Windows 7 on your 2000-era PC? Can you even install it on your 2005-era PC and expect it to perform well? Some phones will be updated, and some will not. Some won't get the update because: 1. The hardware is too old/slow/underpowered/too little RAM for the new OS 2. The manufacturer/carrier doesn't give a damn and doesn't feel like pouring money into an old ph…

In order the remedy this problem, the unlocked multi-carrier phones should be just as available as ISP-neutral PCs. This is clearly not the case, a typical user does not know where or how to buy an unlocked Droid X (and even if they bought it on eBay, it only works on Verizon anyway).

So your comparison is not adequate.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by orangecat »

augustl wrote: post #65

I bought a Nexus One a few days ago. I suspect many would feel sorry for me, but don't worry, I'm just fine. Google will continue to improve the OS, and I'm sure the device will get better and better in the years to come.

Google will continue to improve the OS

And if for some reason they don't, Cyanogen and others will. I expect an N1 will have a longer useful life than a Droid X.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by kyleslattery »

krschultz wrote: post #71
lr wrote: post #62

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That is great for you, but for 99% of the rest of the planet that doesn't give a flying f * about open source or couldn't care less about hacking a phone, the fragmentation of the Android market is only going to piss them off when they eventually encounter the day where their friends can do some cool thing on their Android phones, and they can't. With the iPhone the path of progression from one phone to another is si…

Uh, there are obvious differences between different versions of the iPhone and/or iPod Touch that lead to new version envy. Otherwise why would anyone upgrade?

The thing is though--if you go into a store and by an iPhone, you're guaranteed to have the newest version. If you go and buy an Android phone, you never quite know what you're getting.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by ericd »

kelnos wrote: post #83
ericd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a problem in that the old phones should continue to be supported and get the new OS's in a timely fashion. They shouldn't need to worry about which OS is on there, but I think the OS should continue to get better over the life of the phone regardless. I'm not saying it needs to be out there right now, it's more of a question of whether a random model x will ever get it. Some probably won't, even if they can supp…

Why would you expect that to be the case? Can you install Windows 7 on your 2000-era PC? Can you even install it on your 2005-era PC and expect it to perform well? Some phones will be updated, and some will not. Some won't get the update because: 1. The hardware is too old/slow/underpowered/too little RAM for the new OS 2. The manufacturer/carrier doesn't give a damn and doesn't feel like pouring money into an old ph…

Some phones are too slow, but I think the vast majority of android phones in the wild (by number sold) fall under the umbrella of #2 right now, and that's the much bigger issue. It's hard for a consumer to tell whether the phone they're picking up will be supported a year after the fact.

That is a problem with the structure of the Android ecosystem, which by extension is a complaint with Android itself.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

#100

Post by illumin8 »

eli wrote: post #10

I blame Google for letting people build the Nexus One up so much (remember the crazy pre-launch rumors about how it was going to change the world?) It's not that Americans are stupid and the rest of the world is smart. The problem is that you typically pay the same monthly service fee whether you take a subsidized phone or not. To go buy your own phone at full retail price is leaving hundreds of dollars on the table.…

If you want to use an unlocked phone and maximize your revenue as a customer, simply get an iPhone 4 on contract with AT&T, put the SIM in $GENERIC_SMARTPHONE, unlock it, and sell it on eBay for around $750.

Maximum profit as a consumer as the $750 spread over the 24 month contract gives you an effective $31.25 a month discount. Plus, you get it up front so you can invest it or do whatever you want with the money.

My corporation qualifies me for a 20% AT&T discount. I could effectively keep my iPhone 3GS, which works just great, and reduce my phone bill from $66 a month down to $35 - and still have unlimited data as a grandfathered plan.

The game works if you know how to play it... ;-)

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