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Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by krschultz »

lr wrote: post #62
jrockway wrote: post #44

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I can make meaningless statements too! "Here's the list of iPhone apps I can install on my iPhone without Apple's permission: {}" Incidentally, 2.2 (via the CM6 test) runs just fine on my Sapphire. The joy of Free Software is that I can fix my own device that is no longer the flavor of the month. T-Mobile will never give that device an Android > 2.0. But the community can, and it works much better than the stock imag…

That is great for you, but for 99% of the rest of the planet that doesn't give a flying f * about open source or couldn't care less about hacking a phone, the fragmentation of the Android market is only going to piss them off when they eventually encounter the day where their friends can do some cool thing on their Android phones, and they can't. With the iPhone the path of progression from one phone to another is si…

Uh, there are obvious differences between different versions of the iPhone and/or iPod Touch that lead to new version envy. Otherwise why would anyone upgrade?

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by Niten »

kloncks wrote: post #23

The best comment I've heard on this news came from John Gruber: "Here’s the list of Android phones you can buy today other than the Nexus One which support Android version 2.2: {}."

Best in terms of what exactly? Baseline snarkiness?

Most customers don't know, much less care about, the exact version number of their phone's operating system. They care about what the operating system can do for them. But I suppose if Gruber were to compare the actual capabilities of currently available Android systems vs. iOS 4, he would have much less to be snarky about on Apple's behalf.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by rudd »

rbanffy wrote: post #60
unshift wrote: post #57

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actually in python you make sets from lists, as in set([1, 2, 3, 4]). {} is for dicts.

I am thinking Python 2.7/3.1 ;-) http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.html#python-3-1-feat...

Note that {} still means an empty dictionary, not an empty set.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by jwhitlark »

ericd wrote: post #58
jrockway wrote: post #44

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I can make meaningless statements too! "Here's the list of iPhone apps I can install on my iPhone without Apple's permission: {}" Incidentally, 2.2 (via the CM6 test) runs just fine on my Sapphire. The joy of Free Software is that I can fix my own device that is no longer the flavor of the month. T-Mobile will never give that device an Android > 2.0. But the community can, and it works much better than the stock imag…

From the perspective of one of my parents, neither of whom have probably ever heard of Git, it's not supported by any phone model. This is a serious problem with the ecosystem, and saying that that's how Free Software works isn't going to make it not a problem.

Nah, it's not significantly different that Apple announcing IOS before it's available on a phone. I mean, are your parents waiting excitedly for the features in 2.2?

It's not a problem, it's a trade-off. Given the rapid advancement of Android lately, it can be argued that it's an appropriate one. Pick your poison, eh?

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by peregrine »

albemuth wrote: post #68
demo- wrote: post #36

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You should check out cyanogenmod-6.0.0RC1. It's Android 2.2 for G1. I've got it running and my G1 is flying faster than ever.

Any downsides? Does everything work? What about battery life? Might flash my dev phone 1

Only downside is your phone is 100% better and you get the occasional bug you'd expect from an RC1. I've been using it daily and side from my hardware issues(my battery shorts) its absolutely great.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by peregrine »

YooLi wrote: post #2

With the Nexus one going away, is there any other Android phone that doesn't need to be rooted to install vanilla android and updates?

Their are several phones that are very easy to root. I know this doesn't pass your cut but no carrier is going to give up control of a device. The droid x debacle is a good example of this.

Galaxy S takes 1 file, 1 reboot, 1 click and its rooted. Just as an example.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by sounddust »

stanleydrew wrote: post #49
rwl wrote: post #34

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I'm curious: do you have a data-only plan so you can use VoIP to make phone calls? I have been trying to find a device that would make it easy to make VoIP calls most of the time, since I am nearly always around free (or already-paid for) wireless broadband, but fall back on a prepaid SIM card when I only have cell network coverage. Some of the Android devices look promising for this, especially the Nexus One, but I…

I use VoIP for almost all calls on my N1, but any Android phone will allow you to do it pretty conveniently. For instance, I have two friends who are doing the same with their G1 and Moto Droid respectively. We use the sipdroid application with gizmo5.

Do you not have any problems with dropped calls due to data being the lowest priority when the cell tower is processing heavy traffic? I have had this problem with data in general (when I go to a concert, for example, it's almost impossible to use data reliably, moderately difficult to use voice, and SMS works perfectly).

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by ericd »

Niten wrote: post #69
ericd wrote: post #58

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From the perspective of one of my parents, neither of whom have probably ever heard of Git, it's not supported by any phone model. This is a serious problem with the ecosystem, and saying that that's how Free Software works isn't going to make it not a problem.

No, it's emphatically not a problem with the ecosystem. Android 2.2 phones are being designed as we speak, and Android 2.1 works perfectly fine for people in the meantime -- it's not like Google had to play catchup with Android 2.2 the way Apple did with iOS 4. Like you said, typical users such as your parents have no idea what software their phone is running; they just want it to work. Android 2.1 works perfectly we…

It's a problem in that the old phones should continue to be supported and get the new OS's in a timely fashion. They shouldn't need to worry about which OS is on there, but I think the OS should continue to get better over the life of the phone regardless. I'm not saying it needs to be out there right now, it's more of a question of whether a random model x will ever get it. Some probably won't, even if they can support it, and I would say that's a problem.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by dpapathanasiou »

anigbrowl wrote: post #70

I feel it's worth pointing out that they haven't killed the phone, just their retail channel. Theoretically the thing could finally become available in carrier stores now, although they probably won't bother after Google's rather poor handling of the marketing and publicity. Sad to see them giving up on challenging the carriers, but with no retail 'Google stores' where people could examine the thing before paying ~$5…

Fortunately, though, you can buy other HTC phones which are unlocked and w/o a contract from online stores like newegg.

Since many of those models are also sold in telco retail stores, you can do your research there, and buy the unlocked version online.

Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One

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Post by cookiecaper »

demo- wrote: post #36
cookiecaper wrote: post #24

Personally I don't think that Google tried very hard. I hardly ever watch TV, but I've seen TV commercials for Droid. I didn't see any for Nexus One. I upgraded from a dumb phone recently and wanted to buy a Nexus One, but T-Mobile lady told me Google required a much more expensive plan, that the buy-one-get-one free sale wasn't applicable, and that there were all other kinds of undesirable things about it. It also c…

You should check out cyanogenmod-6.0.0RC1. It's Android 2.2 for G1. I've got it running and my G1 is flying faster than ever.

Yeah, I've been checking periodically for a mature 2.2 ROM. Right now I use CompleteEclair, and I like it because everything works. I used OpenEclair before but quit because it was too non-functional. Everything working well on cyanogenmod 6?

The biggest thing that prevents me from trying out lots of ROMs is that I really don't want to wipe the phone. Does anyone know a good way to backup/restore after a wipe without paying for one of the backup apps? I don't have money, as mentioned earlier.

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