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actually in python you make sets from lists, as in set([1, 2, 3, 4]). {} is for dicts.
I am thinking Python 2.7/3.1 ;-) http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.html#python-3-1-feat...
ah. carry on, then.
Google pulls plug on Nexus One
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Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One
#62The best comment I've heard on this news came from John Gruber: "Here’s the list of Android phones you can buy today other than the Nexus One which support Android version 2.2: {}."
I can make meaningless statements too! "Here's the list of iPhone apps I can install on my iPhone without Apple's permission: {}" Incidentally, 2.2 (via the CM6 test) runs just fine on my Sapphire. The joy of Free Software is that I can fix my own device that is no longer the flavor of the month. T-Mobile will never give that device an Android > 2.0. But the community can, and it works much better than the stock imag…
That is great for you, but for 99% of the rest of the planet that doesn't give a flying f* about open source or couldn't care less about hacking a phone, the fragmentation of the Android market is only going to piss them off when they eventually encounter the day where their friends can do some cool thing on their Android phones, and they can't. With the iPhone the path of progression from one phone to another is simple and clear. Not the case with Android.
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With all due respect, you're going off another tangent. Froyo, aka Android 2.2, was released on May 20. It's now July 19th, almost two months later. The fact that only one phone will support an OS for more than two months is a problem.
I wouldn't call it a problem; it's an artifact of a completely different ecosystem. If it wasn't an open platform, and was all built by only one company, it wouldn't have been announced until just before it was shipped. I'm sure some people are frustrated by it, but following "publish early and often", and all that goes with it, is how open source works.
What's frustrating is that pretty much every Android phone is sold with a "with Google" stamp on the back, and that this basically means fuck all.
It should mean "this is an Android phone that is built with Google's blessing and with Google's support, so lean back and don't worry".
Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One
#65I bought a Nexus One a few days ago. I suspect many would feel sorry for me, but don't worry, I'm just fine.
Google will continue to improve the OS, and I'm sure the device will get better and better in the years to come.
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#66I have said it before in this space and I'll say it again: I love the hell out of my Nexus One, circumstances be damned.
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#67I don't think it was Google's intention to sell a lot of Nexus One units. I believe that they wanted to set a standard for Android phones over which other manufacturers could improve. Android phones before Nexus One were not good enough and they wanted to tell people that this is how an Android phone should be.
This.
Google never wanted to try to cut out the middle-men. Google didn't want to push the phone too much. They just wanted to put it out there to be able to let them know, "Here, look, this is what you can do with this technology at this price point."
As was pointed out at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1529657, Google achieved its aims. The Nexus One was a success. It can go away now.
If you pay attention, you'll often see companies do strange and counter-intuitive things because their goal isn't simply to make money on every single product. Study and learn, because they often aren't being nearly as stupid as you might think.
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#68Personally I don't think that Google tried very hard. I hardly ever watch TV, but I've seen TV commercials for Droid. I didn't see any for Nexus One. I upgraded from a dumb phone recently and wanted to buy a Nexus One, but T-Mobile lady told me Google required a much more expensive plan, that the buy-one-get-one free sale wasn't applicable, and that there were all other kinds of undesirable things about it. It also c…
You should check out cyanogenmod-6.0.0RC1. It's Android 2.2 for G1. I've got it running and my G1 is flying faster than ever.
Any downsides? Does everything work? What about battery life? Might flash my dev phone 1
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I can make meaningless statements too! "Here's the list of iPhone apps I can install on my iPhone without Apple's permission: {}" Incidentally, 2.2 (via the CM6 test) runs just fine on my Sapphire. The joy of Free Software is that I can fix my own device that is no longer the flavor of the month. T-Mobile will never give that device an Android > 2.0. But the community can, and it works much better than the stock imag…
From the perspective of one of my parents, neither of whom have probably ever heard of Git, it's not supported by any phone model. This is a serious problem with the ecosystem, and saying that that's how Free Software works isn't going to make it not a problem.
No, it's emphatically not a problem with the ecosystem. Android 2.2 phones are being designed as we speak, and Android 2.1 works perfectly fine for people in the meantime -- it's not like Google had to play catchup with Android 2.2 the way Apple did with iOS 4.
Like you said, typical users such as your parents have no idea what software their phone is running; they just want it to work. Android 2.1 works perfectly well, and the fact that 2.2 has been announced but is not yet commercially available is no hindrance to people who don't care for such matters.
The only people who really seem to be getting up in arms about Android 2.2 not being available right now are the Apple fanatics.
Re: Google pulls plug on Nexus One
#70I feel it's worth pointing out that they haven't killed the phone, just their retail channel. Theoretically the thing could finally become available in carrier stores now, although they probably won't bother after Google's rather poor handling of the marketing and publicity.
Sad to see them giving up on challenging the carriers, but with no retail 'Google stores' where people could examine the thing before paying ~$500 for it that's not very surprising. I still like mine, even though I might have saved a few $ by buying a Droid or something.