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Post by notspanishflu » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 10:21 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #145

notspanishflu wrote: post #130

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Please, tell the whole story. Yes, Azaña said those words in March, 27, 1930, in the Restaurant Patria (Barcelona) but soon he learned about his error, and the grave consequences of that speech. In May, 1937, Azaña wrote in his diary: "las muchas y muy enormes y escandalosas [...] pruebas de insolidaridad y despego, de hostilidad, de 'chantajismo' que la política catalana ha dado frente al gobierno de la República".…

My point is that even a single guy changes his opinion. It's not reasonable to present it as representative of a full system of government. Go ask Rajoy if his opinions represent the whole system :) EDIT: Also, those quotes just show that the iconoclast and rebellions attitude of Catalonia against the central government is quite old, and not just an invention of some corrupt politicians to divert attention :)

Post by notspanishflu » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 10:25 PM UTC

oriol16 wrote: post #149

notspanishflu wrote: post #135

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There's a legal way to change the Spanish Constitution. Use it. On the other hand, you can't be serious saying that in the region of Catalonia there's less corruption than in the whole Spain.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/04/26/andalucia/136697569... find the ratios and then the ratios of population. Thank you.

Post by monodeldiablo » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 10:28 PM UTC

gfiorav wrote: post #104

nsnick wrote: post #86

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So you are saying you want Spain to bring back the Fascists?

How I’m I saying that? I don’t even mention fascism. I’m saying that representative parliament works, and there’s a way to solve this using this worldwide system. Direct democracy is not what we have, America’s founders considered it “anarchy” as a matter of fact. Read up.

Post by notspanishflu » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 10:31 PM UTC

kiliancs wrote: post #113

gfiorav wrote: post #66

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Sure but now you’re deciding what parts of the constitution you obey and which ones you don’t. That just doesn’t scale. If you want to modify the constitution you need 2/3 of the senate. There’s a procedure for that. There no excuse to break the constitution. If you think there is, you had no argument to defend your own constitutional rights.

The Spanish constitution recognizes the right to self-determination inasmuch as it explicitly enshrines the international treaties that define it. Spain (executive and judiciary) is choosing to ignore that (unlike Canada, for example), and not letting Catalonia exercise that right in any way. According to polls 70%/80% of Catalans think a referendum about independence should take place. The current Catalan government…

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 10:34 PM UTC

codefined wrote: post #125

jimmaswell wrote: post #97

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>At least in the UK the government allowed people to express themselves This isn't really true. You can get arrested for "offensive" social media posts in the UK.

Never heard of a case where someone has been arrested for saying anything that isn't aimed at causing vioelnce. The UK government _do_ allow a lot of open debate on political topics (and every other type of topic) as long as it doesn't threaten peoples health.