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Post by barsonme »

irahul wrote: post #47
barsonme wrote: post #33

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I can agree with the extrovert/autonomy part. To this, though > Is wanting to be a YouTube channel host really a marker of vanity? I'd say it's a good indicator. Not every channel will be like https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4mLlRa_dezwvytudo9s1sw or https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBackyardScientist with funny or informative skits. Sometimes I'll open the 'search' part of Instagram and just scroll through the posts…

> I'd totally do it if I could. This seems like the root of your issue. > But it's definitely vanity. The only people to use vanity as an insult are people who have nothing to be vain about. Do you cover your grays? Do you wear flattering clothes? Do you buy nice phones? Why bother? It's all vain shit.

> This seems like the root of your issue.

I'd do lots of things if I could, but I don't rag on all of them.

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Post by musage »

irahul wrote: post #104
musage wrote: post #92

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> So do you have a list of what earns you dignity vs what is narcissism? Like covering your gut in loose clothing is fine but but what has it to do with dignity? And why would anyone need a "list"? > Don't like it, don't seek it. I can be aware of something and have an opinion about it without engaging in it. And I surely do not need your permission for that, and calling anything negative you don't like "complaining"…

> but what has it to do with dignity? And why would anyone need a "list"? Conversations have context, you know. Parent poster mentioned dignity being different. Did you not read the or are you intentionally clipping it. > "Creating content" has as much "value" as people give it in form of "attention" Is..is that supposed to be an insult or some deep insight you stumbled onto? I don't understand why you are stating th…

> Conversations have context, you know. Parent poster mentioned dignity being different. Did you not read the or are you intentionally clipping it.

No, I got that. And then I asked, why would one need a "list of activities" to make that point? I don't see how that would work, seeing how those activities also have contexts and motivations which matter. It's like "taking bread from a place and putting it somewhere else" can be various things like making breakfast, stealing food, giving food, playing with food.

> You are kinda going off the rails here buddy.

Off what rails? Your comment was an own goal, I'm just beating a dead horse.

> Maybe try to be actually ambitious rather than being content with raging over people doing better than you.

It's more mocking people who I consider lame. Which brings us back to your projected "Now you are making up arguments on my behalf and posting your retorts." haha.

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Post by justboxing »

specialist wrote: post #115
justboxing wrote: post #68

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> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

The last election cycle gave me the idea: A reality TV show about making a reality TV show. With The Garry Shandling Show, Entourage, political campaigns (and their documentaries), social influencers, paid placement, Spinal Tap... Everything's so meta now, I can barely discern fact from fiction. "All the world's a stage." -- Shakespeare

> A reality TV show about making a reality TV show

A success recipe right here.

Just like how the only bloggers who got rich in the early 2000s were the ones who were blogging about "How to get rich blogging".

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Post by bluthru »

nl wrote: post #113
bluthru wrote: post #77

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>Every generation is like that when they are around 14. Who were the "idols who don't contribute anything to society" up until the 1940s when "teenagers" were invented? In the grand scheme of things this is still a very recent phenomenon.

Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt Horace, 20 BC

We're talking about idols.

Also, assuming that any generation can't be worse in some ways than others isn't useful.

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Post by rednerrus »

jonahx wrote: post #74
justboxing wrote: post #68

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> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

Interesting point. I suppose if I press myself hard enough I have to admit that I just don't like what they are doing, and think it's a net negative to our culture, by my own standards. There's always been lowbrow culture and pop culture -- so there's nothing essentially new here. But it seems like its ubiquity and popularity have reached new heights. "Seems" being the operative word, one could argue. I think it's re…

The Kardashians are a cautionary tale about what fame and fortune do to you.

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Post by mahyarm »

nl wrote: post #111
mahyarm wrote: post #16

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Vs. rapper, or sports player? An IG / youtube star is being a lower-middle class celebrity, which is actually a first in many ways.

Vs. rapper, or sports player? An IG / youtube star is being a lower-middle class celebrity, which is actually a first in many ways What on earth does lower-middle class celebrity mean here? Where does the alleged class difference come from? There are many valid criticisms of YouTube/IG stars, but is Michelle Phan really lower-middle class compared to say Nicki Minaj?! Because lots of the private-school mums I know ar…

By class I meant income level, not culture.

In the past being a profitable artist meant superstardom or poverty, with a rare few in between with middle class incomes. Now with Youtube/patreon, there is a good chunk of 'middle class artists' that are developing today that didn't exist in the numbers that these platforms created.

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Post by nl »

bluthru wrote: post #144
nl wrote: post #113

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Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt Horace, 20 BC

We're talking about idols. Also, assuming that any generation can't be worse in some ways than others isn't useful.

We're talking about idols.

https://www.si.com/vault/2001/02/15/299128/sudden-death-glad...

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Post by sfifs »

dredmorbius wrote: post #136
sfifs wrote: post #116

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“There are only two industries. This has always been true,” said Madame Ping, enfolding a lovely porcelain teacup in her withered fingers, the two-inch fingernails interleaving neatly like the pinions of a raptor folding its wings after a long hard day of cruising the thermals. “There is the industry of things, and the industry of entertainment. The industry of things comes first. It keeps us alive. But making things…

Diamond Age ?

Yup :-)

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Post by dredmorbius »

sfifs wrote: post #148
dredmorbius wrote: post #136

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Diamond Age ?

Yup :-)

Damned good book. Though I disagree with Mme. Ping here.

Funny for a book that's so rooted in tribes and tribalism that Stephenson didn't go with the classic cultural castes.

Roughly: Labourer, farmer, gatherer (forestry, fishes, herds, hunting), trades & crafts, merchant, warrior, priest (now includes teaching and science, also, arguably, storytellers), rulers. I get about eight out of that, off the top of my head.

Five of those are "things" (the first set). There's a case which might be made for priests and rulers as entertainment / storytelling, but I don't think I could put warriors there.

Which is an interesting omission given the Colonel's role in the story -- clearly Warrior. (Though also, given his media screens, very much taken with Story. Hrm....)

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Post by irahul »

musage wrote: post #142
irahul wrote: post #104

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> but what has it to do with dignity? And why would anyone need a "list"? Conversations have context, you know. Parent poster mentioned dignity being different. Did you not read the or are you intentionally clipping it. > "Creating content" has as much "value" as people give it in form of "attention" Is..is that supposed to be an insult or some deep insight you stumbled onto? I don't understand why you are stating th…

> Conversations have context, you know. Parent poster mentioned dignity being different. Did you not read the or are you intentionally clipping it. No, I got that. And then I asked, why would one need a "list of activities" to make that point? I don't see how that would work, seeing how those activities also have contexts and motivations which matter. It's like "taking bread from a place and putting it somewhere else…

> And then I asked, why would one need a "list of activities" to make that point? I don't see how that would work, seeing how those activities also have contexts and motivations which matter.

All right. I will give it a last try. You would need a "list" if you are the one making a point that hiding your gut is just dignity while posting your abs online is narcissism. I was pointing out to parent poster that this point is not conducive as your are defining dignity and narcissism to suit your point of view. I don't understand how you missed it when it's written verbatim in the comment you replied to.

> Your comment was an own goal, I'm just beating a dead horse.

And here we go again. You think of something and put it down in your comment irrespective of context. What dead horse are you beating and why does this phrase make an appearance out of blue here?

> It's more mocking people who I consider lame.

At least we have the same agenda here. I too enjoy mocking bottom feeders who write diatribes out of their jealousy for people leading a better and more fulfilled lives than them.

> Which brings us back to your projected "Now you are making up arguments on my behalf and posting your retorts." haha.

Again, I am sure you think you have a point here and I am supposed to have an epiphany when I grok it, but honestly, all I see is random sentences chained together. I once saw a video of some pastor who brought a rock to a talk show as an irrefutable proof against evolution. I am kinda feeling the same as the talk host felt.

Cool man. You do you. Continue "caring for others" by, uh, posting comments on hn I suppose, and "being better", uh, again by posting comments on hn.

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