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Post by KGIII »

urspx wrote: post #64
barsonme wrote: post #13

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All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

>he last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. To be fair, I'd rather be a youtube star than a professional murderer, too.

Which one of those professions is a professional murderer?

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Post by irahul »

eksemplar wrote: post #19
princeb wrote: post #9

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they will create a rapidly evolving and flourishing entertainment industry, of which globally, america has the largest. this in turn boosts growth in related industries fashion, marketing, online retail, and of these the US is probably also the largest in all three.

Entertainment isn't really an industry though. It produces nothing of real value and relies on being financed by those who do. There is a reason Bollywood is a more profitable "industry" than Hollywood, and it's not because their product is better. It's because their society actually nets a profit from production that they can then spend on leisure. If our best and brightest young children become internet celebrities…

> If our best and brightest young children become internet celebrities because it made good sense, then there won't be anyone to keep the gears grinding.

So do you also support not educating a vast majority of children because if everyone aspires to be a white collar worker, where will we get our janitors and garbage men from.

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Post by irahul »

ikeyany wrote: post #25
eksemplar wrote: post #6

I wonder what will happen to a generation obsessed with idols who don't contribute anything to society aside from memes, hot bodies and various rants. But I guess I'm just old and grumpy.

They'll keep the psychiatrists employed for decades, wondering why internet fame isn't fulfilling.

> wondering why internet fame isn't fulfilling.

I feel internet fame is more fulfilling than being a nobody slaving in a 9-5 job. And there is also easy endorsement money which comes with the fame.

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Post by jonahx »

justboxing wrote: post #68
jonahx wrote: post #63

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So you don't see a difference between, say, kim kardashian's instagram feed and what a top hollywood actress does?

> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

Interesting point.

I suppose if I press myself hard enough I have to admit that I just don't like what they are doing, and think it's a net negative to our culture, by my own standards.

There's always been lowbrow culture and pop culture -- so there's nothing essentially new here. But it seems like its ubiquity and popularity have reached new heights. "Seems" being the operative word, one could argue. I think it's really really hard to disentangle surface generational changes from true long-term shifts in major cultural values. Old man syndrome is mistaking the former for the latter. But there's also the opposite syndrome -- which is to insist that the latter doesn't even exist.

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Post by School-Cotton »

puranjay wrote: post #69
jonahx wrote: post #63

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So you don't see a difference between, say, kim kardashian's instagram feed and what a top hollywood actress does?

If you were to draw a Venn diagram of "Hollywood stars" and "Actors known for acting skills", you'll get a tiny cross-section. The majority of "stars" are known for their big budget blockbusters. I'm not saying that playing Iron Man or Ethan Hunt is easy, but it's definitely not as hard as playing a difficult character actor role.

That doesn't disprove the point. Sure, the most famous actors might not be the best in the world at acting, but this is true of many fields. Is Bill Gates the most skilled programmer in the world?

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Post by handsomechad »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #23
eksemplar wrote: post #19

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Entertainment isn't really an industry though. It produces nothing of real value and relies on being financed by those who do. There is a reason Bollywood is a more profitable "industry" than Hollywood, and it's not because their product is better. It's because their society actually nets a profit from production that they can then spend on leisure. If our best and brightest young children become internet celebrities…

I'm not clear on the difference you're asserting between Hollywood and Bollywood.

I was racking my brain trying to figure this out as well. someone pray tell

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Post by bluthru »

erikb wrote: post #43
eksemplar wrote: post #6

I wonder what will happen to a generation obsessed with idols who don't contribute anything to society aside from memes, hot bodies and various rants. But I guess I'm just old and grumpy.

You think this is different from previous generations? Please. Every generation is like that when they are around 14.

>Every generation is like that when they are around 14.

Who were the "idols who don't contribute anything to society" up until the 1940s when "teenagers" were invented? In the grand scheme of things this is still a very recent phenomenon.

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Post by interstitial »

pmontra wrote: post #67
barsonme wrote: post #13

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All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

I guess it's hard to ascend to stardom. What's the ratio between stars and non stars? Stars have to stand among other people. If everybody is a star nobody is. Those kids are going to be as deluded as every past generation or are looking forward to a more difficult battle.

When dealing with social ratios, the safest bet is 20% of the stars get 80% of the views. If it were otherwise, someone should write a paper, it would be huge news.

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Post by maruhan2 »

jonahx wrote: post #74
justboxing wrote: post #68

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> So you don't see a difference between Nope. There is no difference. @jonknee is right. I once met this camera grip boy at a boxing fight watch here in San Francisco. He worked at various sets in L.A., very close to the filming. He would say how he was on Kim Kardashian's "Reality Show" and how the whole thing was completely scripted for shock effect, drama etc. He said "They'd sometime do retakes and tell Kim - "Th…

Interesting point. I suppose if I press myself hard enough I have to admit that I just don't like what they are doing, and think it's a net negative to our culture, by my own standards. There's always been lowbrow culture and pop culture -- so there's nothing essentially new here. But it seems like its ubiquity and popularity have reached new heights. "Seems" being the operative word, one could argue. I think it's re…

I just personally wish the entertainment industry isn't big in the first place. Movies, music, sports, models, etc. So much money and human resources spent on something that produces little tangible value.

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Post by inimino »

jedberg wrote: post #42
barsonme wrote: post #13

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All of the above, although I think millennials and Gen Z are demonstrably worse when it comes to vanity. My mother's a 2nd grade teacher and does the usual "what do you want to be when you grow up?" bit each year. The last couple years she's had a very significant number of her students say "YouTube or Instagram star" instead of the usual firefighter/police officer/doctor/soldier/etc. (Also not the most disturbing tr…

Just replace Youtube Star with Movie star. At least growing up in LA, lots of my friends wanted to be movie stars and rock stars. Some of them actually are now. They apparently provide value to someone, because they make millions of dollars.

> They apparently provide value to someone, because they make millions of dollars.

I would be careful with that kind of reasoning.

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