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Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #55
mikestew wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…

> In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with respect to equality and rights. Please watch your tone. Just that your opinion is different from others and happens to currently match the majority view doesn't mean you should be rude to those with different opinions. There are plenty of people with more nuanced opinions on gender roles that aren't bigoted. edit: To those…

I'm not sure why you've been downvoted. Phrases like "pulling its head out of its ass" are not going to contribute to sophisticated and level-headed discussion.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by losteric »

kharms wrote: post #18

Interesting. One of the theories I've heard regarding a possible decline in educational quality in the US was that in the 50s, the most qualified women became educators due to a lack of other jobs, while today they become CEOs, etc. On the surface this data seems to contradict that.

I've wondered the same, from a different angle:

What happens to the structure of society when a larger fraction of intelligent people have access to higher education, the ability to easily relocate, and a financial incentive to work in finance, science, engineering, and applied-academia?

How does that impact legislative and executive politics, community groups, and education (direct and educating the educators)?

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by verelo »

I wish there were three additional views to this data:

1) Average salary, adjust the circles such that they change shape based based on this value.

2) Total $ spent on employing people in this occupation

3) Average cost to train someone in this occupation

It could get real interesting if you could intersect data like average salary with the number of people in a field, and the cost to benefit ratio of training v's income once on the job.

I think we all know what direction it would point in, but it'd be nice to see it regardless...and hey, maybe i'm wrong? [although we know that's unlikely here]

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by foldr »

bbarn wrote: post #70

So according to that, software developers are around 20% female. That seems high to me, from my own experiences. Even still, with all the "let's get more women in tech" stuff I read, are there initiatives to get women in the other jobs even further to the left on that graph? (largely physical labor jobs)

Yes, of course there are. You can just google it. E.g. here is a relevant result for "women in construction":

https://www.ucatt.org.uk/women-construction

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by yung_endian »

bbarn wrote: post #70

So according to that, software developers are around 20% female. That seems high to me, from my own experiences. Even still, with all the "let's get more women in tech" stuff I read, are there initiatives to get women in the other jobs even further to the left on that graph? (largely physical labor jobs)

>That seems high to me, from my own experiences.

It's almost as if your own individual experiences are not indicative of population-level trends at large

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by kerkeslager »

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #68

Don't we need more men in primary and secondary school teaching? I would think so.

One strong argument for this is that boys who are at the highest risk for crime, not graduating, lower incomes, etc. frequently lack positive make role models.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by DanBC »

tptacek wrote: post #54
vowelless wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?

It's obviously not his own quote; it's quite famous, and it is not an ironic coinage by the women's liberation movement.

HN has an international, and mostly young, audience.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by throwawayjava »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #55
mikestew wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…

> In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with respect to equality and rights. Please watch your tone. Just that your opinion is different from others and happens to currently match the majority view doesn't mean you should be rude to those with different opinions. There are plenty of people with more nuanced opinions on gender roles that aren't bigoted. edit: To those…

>>> at around the 1960s/1970s.

>> the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with respect to equality and rights

> Please watch your tone... There are plenty of people with more nuanced opinions on gender roles that aren't bigoted.

But the opinions codified in policy prior to the 1960s/1970s were objectively horrifying.

Brown v. Board was decided in 1954.

Jim Crow was going strong in the 50's and hung on into the 60's.

Harvard Medical School did not (purposefully) admit women until '45; Princeton until '69. Title IX passed in the 70's and gender parity in university admissions didn't happen until '81.

The first no fault divorce law wasn't passed until '69.

The Equal Pay Act was passed in '63.

IMO there isn't a non-bigoted defense of -- or inappropriate tone for criticizing -- the confluence of those policies.

(Also, "watch your tone" is condescending and defensive. Unless you support returning to Jim Crow and repealing the Equal Pay Act, there's no reason to be defensive.)

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Post by vowelless »

tptacek wrote: post #54
vowelless wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?

It's obviously not his own quote; it's quite famous, and it is not an ironic coinage by the women's liberation movement.

I found it intriguing and provacting. I searched online (but only now realised I had searched the string with the quotes which did an exact search ) and found only a handful of very recent websites / blogs.

The linked wiki page is very helpful !

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