I'd like to know what makes Physics so different from Math and Chemistry. Why are the latter almost equal but Physics is just so overwhelmingly male?
Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950
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#52It's interesting, but I personally could not find any "surprises". Common job circles are pretty much obvious. Technological progress is probably one of the main reasons of the male->female shift.
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#53I'd like to know what makes Physics so different from Math and Chemistry. Why are the latter almost equal but Physics is just so overwhelmingly male?
Probably just depends on what they decide to include in each category.
I can tell you that when I was studying math (2008-2013), almost all of my professors were male. But maybe "university professor" isn't the only thing they include in their data set for mathematicians, but for physics maybe it is.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…
> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?
It's obviously not his own quote; it's quite famous, and it is not an ironic coinage by the women's liberation movement.
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#55Many of those shifts from a majority male workforce to a majority female workforce seem to happen quickly (or even abruptly) at around the 1960s/1970s. I'm not well versed in American history. Did anything significant happen then to cause this, or is it just an interesting anomaly?
There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…
> In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with respect to equality and rights.
Please watch your tone. Just that your opinion is different from others and happens to currently match the majority view doesn't mean you should be rude to those with different opinions. There are plenty of people with more nuanced opinions on gender roles that aren't bigoted.
edit: To those downvoting me, can you please explain why? If there is something wrong with my statement, I would love to learn from your opinion on it.
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#56According to the first visual, secretaries are 108% female and carpenters are -10% female. Don't trust this data too much.
I was just about to make the same compaint; the first diagram is really confusing. They also say that "carpenters" was the "most male" job, but "Pipelayers, etc." is clearly to the left of it in the diagram.
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#57I'd like to know what makes Physics so different from Math and Chemistry. Why are the latter almost equal but Physics is just so overwhelmingly male?
AFAIK Most woman Mathematicians are school teachers.
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#58Nothing that went from female to male?
Programmers and computer operators did, but I can't find it in the page. "Computer" used to be a person crunching numbers using slide rules and mechanical calculators and it was an overwhelmingly female profession. When machines appeared, the operators were predominantly the same personnel that were doing it by hand earlier.
It's listed as "Computer Scientists and Systems Analysts/Network systems Analysts/Web Developers" and their dataset starts in 1970.
Their dataset shows it always being a male field - in fact, in 1970, it's even more male than now in their dataset. It shows a rise of women from '70 to '90, and then flat until today.
Since the launch of personal computers (the Altair in '71) was supposed to be the catalyst of the change of programming into a male field, I'm suprised to see the data directly contradicting that.
Perhaps it reflects a difference in job titles - "computer scientists" vs "programmers" if programming (the women's work) was titled separately because it was considered a more menial job.
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#59I think that regardless of your social or political stance of anything regarding males, females, workplaces, salaries, or sexism, more data is always nice to have. Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it.
If these circles had average salaries attached to them, I'm sure the article would write itself.
Assuming you mean that men have jobs with higher average salaries, there are still implications beyond that. Do men have higher salaries because they are more likely to consider salary when choosing a job? Do women have lower salaries due to sexism? Some combination of the two? Something else?
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…
> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?