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"Computer programmer" could be argued to fit that description.

Though arguably, FWIW, the meaning of "computer programmer" has also changed.

It clearly changed. Just like "debt collector" used to involve more property repossession and less robocalling.

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There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…

> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?

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Many of those shifts from a majority male workforce to a majority female workforce seem to happen quickly (or even abruptly) at around the 1960s/1970s. I'm not well versed in American history. Did anything significant happen then to cause this, or is it just an interesting anomaly?

Among other things, it was influenced by ~2 million men leaving the civilian labor force temporarily because the government urgently required their services to fight a war. The part would have been disproportionately true for jobs lower down the socioeconomic ladder because jobs higher on the socioeconomic ladder generally go to people who had more ability to licitly or illicitly avoid selection for military service.

And don't forget that a side-effect of the war was a drastic increase in inflation. A single-earner household often didn't cut it any more, even if one spouse wanted to stay home.

The women's movement also made it "not wierd" to want a job outside the home, and for some a badge of honor. It's hard to articulate exactly what that meant for women, but for my older sister, "not wierd" was being a teacher. For my wife, OTOH, being an attorney was "not wierd", and in fact past the point of being a meaningful badge of honor, it was just a job. We're talking a 10 year time span.

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And by "just a job" I don't mean to imply that discrimination against women completely disappeared overnight. I remember the day after a re-org, the new incoming manager walked into my neigbor's cube, my neighbor being a rather consistently excellent (female) engineer, and he said, abruptly: "I don't like women engineers.", turned and walked out. Those of us that overheard had a total WTF reaction to that. Luckily those dinosaurs are largely gone from the planet.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #57

I'd like to know what makes Physics so different from Math and Chemistry. Why are the latter almost equal but Physics is just so overwhelmingly male?

AFAIK Most woman Mathematicians are school teachers.

Since this data is about occupation and not training, it seems like the "Teacher" category would skew a lot of other categories. Is a Computer Programming Teacher in the "Teacher" category or the "Computer Programming" category? Probably "Teacher" since that is their occupation. But it hides the fact that they probably have the background & skills to be a programmer but chose a different outlet to use their knowledge.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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I thought the section showing which fields had gender oscillations was an interesting axis to pivot on.

Another interesting metric might be: "Jobs that the gender distribution has remained the most static" and "Once Female, Shifting to majority male" to contrast the section "ONCE MALE, SHIFTING TO MAJORITY FEMALE"

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post #54

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> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?

It's obviously not his own quote; it's quite famous, and it is not an ironic coinage by the women's liberation movement.

I'm not sure why you think it was obvious, but it definitely wasn't. Not everyone has heard of everything that's "quite famous". I had to look it up, too.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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If these circles had average salaries attached to them, I'm sure the article would write itself.

Assuming you mean that men have jobs with higher average salaries, there are still implications beyond that. Do men have higher salaries because they are more likely to consider salary when choosing a job? Do women have lower salaries due to sexism? Some combination of the two? Something else?

> Something else?

Here's one more thing that might be a confounding factor - taller people have higher salaries [0], and on average men are taller than women.

Maybe just a spurious correlation [1], but still interesting to think about.

0: https://www.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.ht...

1: http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #54

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It's obviously not his own quote; it's quite famous, and it is not an ironic coinage by the women's liberation movement.

I'm not sure why you think it was obvious, but it definitely wasn't. Not everyone has heard of everything that's "quite famous". I had to look it up, too.

I'm not making a value judgement, just observing that it's extremely well-known in western culture, and obviously not something the commenter came up with themselves.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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So according to that, software developers are around 20% female. That seems high to me, from my own experiences.

Even still, with all the "let's get more women in tech" stuff I read, are there initiatives to get women in the other jobs even further to the left on that graph? (largely physical labor jobs)

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