Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode • Hacker News Board

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by on_and_off » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 10:09 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #51

komali2 wrote: post #45

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This change alone is tempting me, and I have been diehard anti-apple for about a decade now for walled-garden reasons. I know, I know, walled garden prevents users from opening their phone to vulnerabilities or guaranteeing a secure experience. I guess I wish I could have my cake and eat it too.

Android has required the user to enter the unlock code to back up the device for years now. This is Apple playing catch-up.

not sure why there are massive downvotes

AFAIK this is true

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by sqeaky » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 10:11 AM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #240

Technological solutions to a non-tech problem. The US have demonstrated they'll quite happily just lock people up forever if they can't get to the encrypted data. Good on Apple, but not a solution.

Do it to one man and its an oddity, do it to a thousand and lots of people will be demanding change. This makes it more likely it will happen to lots of people.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by thinkMOAR » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 10:23 AM UTC

remcob wrote: post #238

thinkMOAR wrote: post #237

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Pretty much agreed, though not living in a five eyes country doesn't mean any of those eyes aren't 'looking' at you. :)

Quite the opposite actually, if you're a citizen of it you have some constitutional protection against your own government spying on you, at least in the U.S. AFAIK. If you are outside of it, you're fair game.

In theory i agree if you read up on what is shared about it.

In practice i have very strong doubts this is a fact. Specially since there is '5 eyes', '6 eyes', '9 eyes' and '14 eyes'. And any of the members are monitoring domestic terrorism, so i fail to see how they are not spying on their own citizens.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by maccard » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 10:35 AM UTC

on_and_off wrote: post #239

DavideNL wrote: post #234

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Also there's a big difference between 1) a company collecting and selling your data to other companies 2) a company giving authorities access to your data for complying with anti-terror laws. I'm not implying i agree with how far governments go to intrude into peoples privacy. Just pointing out that i agree with OP that there's a big difference between for example Googles and Apples stance towards privacy.

How is Google selling your data to another company ?

That's literally their business

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by archvile » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 10:52 AM UTC

HugoDaniel wrote: post #211

Here is a slide from the PRISM leaks: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-... #neverforget

The mention that is varies by provider is notable. Apple encrypts End-to-end all iMessage chats, as well as FaceTime (VoIP) calls. None of the other providers on that list do that, so at least there's that.

Also, people here act like Apple jumped willingly onboard the PRISM program. You can bet your ass their arm was twisted by the government or they were taken into the program unknowingly (datacenter ISP taps, etc).

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by muninn_ » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 11:03 AM UTC

themacguffinman wrote: post #188

muninn_ wrote: post #62

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What's an example of a common use case in which Apple is anti-freedom in your opinion?

Web browser engines. Default apps.

Is it really that big of a deal for the web browser engines?

What's the issue with the default apps? I believe you can now uninstall just about every one of them.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by Vinnl » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 11:18 AM UTC

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #8

I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

Mozilla comes to mind.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by Retric » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 11:24 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #143

Retric wrote: post #36

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You can't run a mass maket open platform without security or privacy issues as Users will install things that cause problems.

...and IMHO those "security or privacy issues" are an acceptable cost of freedom, the same way that I see crime in general: no one wants to be a victim, but you can see that, as long as crime still exists, so does freedom. If no one can do "bad things", then everyone has already had the essence of life taken out of them. I wrote this comment a few months ago when (almost) everyone was wondering what could be done, in…

That argument is more reasonable if users had no platform choice. A cellphone can track your location and listen in on your conversations so you may reasonably want more security than say a PC.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by vurpo » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 11:30 AM UTC

themihai wrote: post #215

lern_too_spel wrote: post #172

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Yet this "fundamental difference" does not change the fact that both companies' devices provide exactly the same amount of privacy out of the box, while only the Google device is truly yours to put whatever software you want on it, down to the OS.

The Google device is NOT truly yours because you have to look for cracks if you want to root it or remove the Google stuff. The law may also be against you if you crack it. You are just a guest on your device...you are "licensed" to use it just like you get license to play music on spotify, watch movies on netflix etc...nothing is owned anymore and very few people care.

Many Android devices, including all the ones that Google make and sell themselves, Sony devices, Motorola devices, have an officially supported path to running any code you want on YOUR own device.

Usually that path is: boot the phone into bootloader mode, plug it into a computer, run `fastboot oem unlock`, accept the warning that this will void your warranty, then `fastboot flash `. An officially documented and supported way to do exactly what you want with the device that you own.

Yes, it voids your warranty, but it's not forbidden or illegal in any way.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by vurpo » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 11:34 AM UTC

seanp2k2 wrote: post #154

lern_too_spel wrote: post #51

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Android has required the user to enter the unlock code to back up the device for years now. This is Apple playing catch-up.

How hard is it to jailbreak with ADB shell and get root on a random phone? Does that always require a code?

It depends on the device, but at least on Nexus/Pixel devices you can just plug the phone in and `fastboot oem unlock` and it will unlock the bootloader, i.e. allow you to flash anything onto it that you want.