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How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by vacri »

sametmax wrote: post #110
vacri wrote: post #66

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Trump isn't really proving me wrong. He made a lot of promises. He's completely unable to get any of them done; he's a completely ineffective politician. He's alienated his own staff and political allies. He won't survive the next election, and doesn't even want to. He doesn't care to stay, and without impeachment, there's no way to remove him. Total amount of elections won = 1, total amount of 'stuff done' = 0. Trum…

> He really is an atypical case here. Not in my experience. I France we have politicians lying, cheating and even being condemned coming back all the time.

'coming back' means they lost their job at some point. And Trump hasn't 'come back', because he's still in his first ever term as a politician (and it's extraordinarily difficult to fire him - a US president has literally never been successfully impeached, though one retired to avoid it possibly happening). I also never said that this was an ironclad rule and that you were permanently dismissed from your position, never to return again in your lifetime. But if you do lose your position, it's far from guaranteed that you'll get it back; it's a considerable risk to lose it, hence folks in authority play it safe.

Are you saying though, that France has not seen politicians and other positions of authority say less of substance than in past decades? That they're not watching their tongues any more than they used to? That errant comments aren't taken out of context by the public and used to vilify the person who said it? Well, more power to you; the rest of us should be so lucky - all over the anglo world, this pattern has been noted, rising with the 24-hour news cycle (which rewards 'gotcha!' journalism).

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Post by extra88 »

Xoros wrote: post #157
extra88 wrote: post #145

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I'm skeptical that this is the whole story, CPS departments don't have the staff to monitor every Duggar-wannabe. But if there was an incident that put you on their radar (even if it was actually nothing), I could see it taking a long time for them to take you off their list.

Well I don't really know. Maybe 5 kids is a trigger here in France. But on a semi related subject, my wife and I decided to not put our kids in school this year and do home schooling. To be well prepared, we asked people already doing it, joined Facebook groups of homeschooling parents nearby, etc... The most frequent advice we had is to watch out when government will send someone to check out if everything is ok, as…

It would have been helpful to mention you were describing a situation in France, it makes a big difference which country you're in and most people here don't have experience there.

I have heard that homeschooling is not as accepted in France as it is in the U.S., it seems like there quite a few individual liberties Americans assume that are not protected in France.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by AstralStorm »

walterstucco wrote: post #153
dagw wrote: post #94

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Is it common for them to be hit by cars? According to CDC it's the second most common cause of accidental injury death among children aged 5-14 (after being in a car crash)

With or without parent's supervision? The post I was replying to specifically said he's scared that his kid could be hit by a car when going to school on his own It's fairly obvious that accidents are the most common cause of death for kids My point is that parent supervision don't protect them from being hit or end up in a car crash or fall down from a bridge p.s.: main cause doesn't mean it is common I believe it's…

Critical part is actually "going to school". Typical stats on accidents do not say where you were going, but at most where you actually were. My suspicion is that most vehicular accidents happen during play or free roaming, especially in an unsupervised kid group, not when actually going somewhere on their own.

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Post by [deleted] »

icebraining wrote: post #100
galfarragem wrote: post #95

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According to my point of view, in Western Europe urban areas only the poor kids wander around and just because their parents don't afford to control them. However in Eastern Europe, nowadays not correlated with leftist policies, kids wander around..

Do or did you live in Western Europe? My experience may not extend to most countries, so I'm curious to know where you've seen that.

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Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by AstralStorm »

walterstucco wrote: post #149
AstralStorm wrote: post #92

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1) More common than with adults. Statistics one this are widely available. Sometimes even details. Drops rapidly with age. Main cause of vehicular accident deaths is actually crashes. Some 20% deaths and injuries are estimated to be preventable by consistent child restraint/seat usage. Drunk parent drivers are responsible for about 20% of the total under 15 vehicular accident deaths... 2) Compare say multiple person…

You're basically agreeing with me Fear of your kid being hit by a car is just perception driving them to school with the false sense of security that when they are with their parents kids are safer is more dangerous

Well, it is a real fear, especially when kids are playing instead of going somewhere.

However, driving the kids to school is probably no better than them just going on their own looking at stats of car crashes with kids involved.

Anyway, as expected, parents tend to behave highly irrationally when safety of their own children is involved.

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Post by wholinator »

orf wrote: post #68
gwatch wrote: post #42

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This won't happen today in San Francisco city, because of decrease in social capital. I live downtown and I will not anyone's kids to wander around like that. First, you'll be lucky if MUNI driver is even remotely friendly, then there are druggies on the street, and so on. Illegal immigration, homelessness fueled by liberal/leftist policies, crime, gangs, drug trade have turned the city into a place quite unrecogniza…

> because of all these problems caused by the cancerous lefties! "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their m…

Do you have a source for that quote? I'd be very interested in reading the rest of whatever that is.

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Post by program_whiz »

Once there are numerous children riding unaccompanied on the bus, the stats may change. Obviously in the current environment (where no children are riding the bus), the number of incidents are small (his stats are from school busses). What happens when people realize that dozens of children are riding public buses all the time without a parent in sight?

The current climate of "over-protecting" kids may be the cause of the lower rates of child-related crimes. Check out some graphs of the kidnap rates falling. Maybe the "woefully ignorant" public policy makers actually have the right answer?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/14/there...

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Post by Xoros »

extra88 wrote: post #162
Xoros wrote: post #157

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Well I don't really know. Maybe 5 kids is a trigger here in France. But on a semi related subject, my wife and I decided to not put our kids in school this year and do home schooling. To be well prepared, we asked people already doing it, joined Facebook groups of homeschooling parents nearby, etc... The most frequent advice we had is to watch out when government will send someone to check out if everything is ok, as…

It would have been helpful to mention you were describing a situation in France, it makes a big difference which country you're in and most people here don't have experience there. I have heard that homeschooling is not as accepted in France as it is in the U.S., it seems like there quite a few individual liberties Americans assume that are not protected in France.

Yes, sorry about that, I realized it when reading your answer, that's why I answered, to add context.

France is hiding behind terrorism to prevent parents to do homeschooling, arguing it will help radicalization.

Of course it's completely irrelevant, but governments hate to lose control on people.

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Post by sctb »

gwatch wrote: post #42
Stratoscope wrote: post #37

Back around 1960, when I was eight and my little sister was six, we went with our dad to a chess tournament at the Mechanics' Institute in San Francisco. [1] Of course if you're six and eight and not really into chess, nothing could be more boring. So we asked Dad if we could do something else. He gave us a few nickels and quarters and said "sure, how about riding the cable cars and go see the town?" So we did! It wa…

This won't happen today in San Francisco city, because of decrease in social capital. I live downtown and I will not anyone's kids to wander around like that. First, you'll be lucky if MUNI driver is even remotely friendly, then there are druggies on the street, and so on. Illegal immigration, homelessness fueled by liberal/leftist policies, crime, gangs, drug trade have turned the city into a place quite unrecogniza…

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