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How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by Xoros »

A friend of mine is father of 7. When they had their fifth kid, children protection started to show their faces on a regular base.

Because, you know, having that much children, you are probably a bad parent.

Of course, it's not a bad thing that they ensure that there is, in fact, no obvious problem home. It's important to watch for the children, they are the future of your country.

But in his case, a wealthy entrepreneur, his wife is a nurse, with the biggest house I've ever been in, and one of the happiest family I know, they still visits every couple of months, seamingly looking for a reason to piss them off.

It looks like (and it's just my opinion) they can't accept different form of life standards.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by fmueller »

Ntrails wrote: post #101

This article is depressing as hell. I used to walk to school at the age of what, 8? There was one really quite busy road I had to cross on my own, the rest was residential. But learning to cross the road is something that was dogmatically addressed from a very young age. "Stop. Look. Listen." I remember learning about that aged 5ish? My parents knew I could cross the road, they'd taught me, the schools had taught me.…

I walked to kindergarden at the age of 5. But that was in Switzeland.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by galfarragem »

gambiting wrote: post #127
Chris2048 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ones are you thinking about?

Even in the UK, which is rapidly approaching US is many cultural aspects, there is absolutely no issue with kids walking themselves to school or playing outside without supervision. I'm not saying there aren't cases where someone overzealous gets authorities involved because they think kids are in danger, but in general you see loads of kids walking to school and taking the bus/metro on their own.

A small percentage of what used to be 30 years ago though..

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by [deleted] »

mathw wrote: post #129
WillPostForFood wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

General increase in risk aversion. Same reason there are seat belt laws, helmet laws, firecrackers are illegal, you have to take your shoes off to get on a plane, lawn darts are banned, and people fear second hand smoke. To tie it back to the parent comment, there is data that shows more individualistic people take more risks, so perhaps it is tied to the decline of individualism, and religion. Regarding kids specifi…

Aren't individualism and religion opposing philosophies? Most religions demand conformity.

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Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by extra88 »

Xoros wrote: post #141

A friend of mine is father of 7. When they had their fifth kid, children protection started to show their faces on a regular base. Because, you know, having that much children, you are probably a bad parent. Of course, it's not a bad thing that they ensure that there is, in fact, no obvious problem home. It's important to watch for the children, they are the future of your country. But in his case, a wealthy entrepre…

I'm skeptical that this is the whole story, CPS departments don't have the staff to monitor every Duggar-wannabe. But if there was an incident that put you on their radar (even if it was actually nothing), I could see it taking a long time for them to take you off their list.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by gambiting »

galfarragem wrote: post #143
gambiting wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in the UK, which is rapidly approaching US is many cultural aspects, there is absolutely no issue with kids walking themselves to school or playing outside without supervision. I'm not saying there aren't cases where someone overzealous gets authorities involved because they think kids are in danger, but in general you see loads of kids walking to school and taking the bus/metro on their own.

A small percentage of what used to be 30 years ago though..

I guess that's mostly due to the fact that more people have cars nowadays so it's just easier to drop your kids off than it was 30 years ago. Especially if you drive to work anyway, you might as well drop them off and pick them up after. It doesn't feel to me like it's because people feel less safe for kids to walk to school, it's just that driving them there is a lot more viable than it was few decades ago.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by Chris2048 »

AstralStorm wrote: post #87
Chris2048 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire population of children do not all ride alone on a bus though. It's % of those who do that that are abducted is important.

Typically not possible to estimate for either murders or abductions which ate already extremely rare nowadays in general. Are you suggesting chasing accuracy in a fraction of a fraction?

The post I replied to said:

> One incident in two years, out of a population of tens of millions

I'm pointing out that overall population is not relevant.

The "fraction of a fraction" is the ratio of children who ride the bus alone, and get abducted. It seems that is relevant information when trying to contextualize the danger in allowing a child to ride a bus alone.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by Chris2048 »

falsedan wrote: post #90
Chris2048 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sounds like something that should be backed up Why? People state their opinions and experiences on HN all the time without such a requirement.

Because this one vilifies a large group of people based on their political preferences; and politics is basically a battle to see whose opinion will be reflected in reality. "language X is better than Y" is an opinion we accept at face value without sources, since it doesn't affect users of language Y, and has limited impact if it's wrong. Comparing a political stance to a disease does affect the users (implies they'…

> vilifies a large group of people based on their political preferences

If I say Marxism is evil, aren't I also vilifying subscribers to that philosophy? That's fine, since it's a choice; both to take ideological criticisms personally, and to subscribe to it in the first place.

> Comparing a political stance to a disease does affect the users

I can't see how.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by walterstucco »

AstralStorm wrote: post #92
walterstucco wrote: post #72

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> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? F…

1) More common than with adults. Statistics one this are widely available. Sometimes even details. Drops rapidly with age. Main cause of vehicular accident deaths is actually crashes. Some 20% deaths and injuries are estimated to be preventable by consistent child restraint/seat usage. Drunk parent drivers are responsible for about 20% of the total under 15 vehicular accident deaths... 2) Compare say multiple person…

You're basically agreeing with me

Fear of your kid being hit by a car is just perception

driving them to school with the false sense of security that when they are with their parents kids are safer is more dangerous

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by Chris2048 »

gambiting wrote: post #127
Chris2048 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ones are you thinking about?

Even in the UK, which is rapidly approaching US is many cultural aspects, there is absolutely no issue with kids walking themselves to school or playing outside without supervision. I'm not saying there aren't cases where someone overzealous gets authorities involved because they think kids are in danger, but in general you see loads of kids walking to school and taking the bus/metro on their own.

> rapidly approaching US is many cultural aspects

I think environmental difference are more important than cultural.

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