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How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by vletal »

Chris2048 wrote: post #80
devwastaken wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Illegal immigration, homelessness fueled by liberal/leftist policies, crime, gangs, drug trade have turned the city into a place quite unrecognizable compared to 1960. Sounds like something that should be backed up by a data point if you're looking to contribute something to the discussion. >Leftism is a cancer, and a road to third world culture, paved by good intentions. You've given exactly one point, with no refe…

> Sounds like something that should be backed up Why? People state their opinions and experiences on HN all the time without such a requirement.

Reference to some comments which back this claim up?

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by AstralStorm »

walterstucco wrote: post #72
pamqzl wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car than being a victim of any crime. Or maybe they try something stupid (we all did stupid things as kids and I don't expect my kids to be smarter than I was) and wind up drowning in the river or falling off something.

> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? F…

1) More common than with adults. Statistics one this are widely available. Sometimes even details. Drops rapidly with age. Main cause of vehicular accident deaths is actually crashes. Some 20% deaths and injuries are estimated to be preventable by consistent child restraint/seat usage. Drunk parent drivers are responsible for about 20% of the total under 15 vehicular accident deaths...

2) Compare say multiple person being in a vehicular accidents when one is a child. Also make sure to include a reduction in car crashes including a child as some of those would become pedestrians. (Data is also available, but no idea how many kids would walk.) School busses exist and work.

3, 4) Stats are not readily available.

5) Stats are available, most of those happen near the parents anyway. Essentially negligence with very small kids or stupidity like having kids near unguarded aquifers or drops. Such areas are rare in cities.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by dagw »

walterstucco wrote: post #72
pamqzl wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car than being a victim of any crime. Or maybe they try something stupid (we all did stupid things as kids and I don't expect my kids to be smarter than I was) and wind up drowning in the river or falling off something.

> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? F…

Is it common for them to be hit by cars?

According to CDC it's the second most common cause of accidental injury death among children aged 5-14 (after being in a car crash)

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by galfarragem »

Chris2048 wrote: post #82
icebraining wrote: post #79

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Plenty of countries in Europe are way more leftist than the US, yet we still have kids wandering around. Seems like a very poor correlation.

Which ones are you thinking about?

According to my point of view, in Western Europe urban areas only the poor kids wander around and just because their parents don't afford to control them. However in Eastern Europe, nowadays not correlated with leftist policies, kids wander around..

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by d--b »

Also people don't realize this anymore, but when you're a single parent and have FIVE kids, you HAVE to teach your kids independence, cause you can't be behind each and every one of them all the time! When one of them gets sick (which is just about every other week), you're pretty pleased that the others can get to school by themselves.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by icebraining »

Chris2048 wrote: post #82
icebraining wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of countries in Europe are way more leftist than the US, yet we still have kids wandering around. Seems like a very poor correlation.

Which ones are you thinking about?

I know mostly in Portugal and Spain, but I've lived in Brussels for a few months and saw plenty of kids walking to school as well. I seem to remember the same in Budapest, but it was a short stay.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by Confiks »

DanBC wrote: post #69
Dove wrote: post #62

I don't mind the idea of the state protecting children. What I mind is it happening without essential protections such as a right to jury trial, a presumption of innocence, and illegal behavior being limited to what is defined by actual laws written by elected representatives. What we have here is the terror of the police state. Anonymous tips, petty bureaucrats making life changing rulings on a whim with no clear la…

In the OPs situation he can just politely tell the child protection team that he's heard their advice, but that he disagrees, and that he's not going to change his behaviour. The social workers then put all the information together and take it to their lawyers, who'll either say it's not strong enough to go to court, or ask him if he really does want to ignore the advice because they think they have a good case. At t…

Saying that he could "just" do this in my opinion really simplifies it too much. You must be terribly sure of your case to open yourself up to such a risk.

Also, in many countries, child protection services can preemtively declare you an unfit parent and place your children in foster care, pending a decision from a judge, which may well take months.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by DanBC »

Confiks wrote: post #98
DanBC wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the OPs situation he can just politely tell the child protection team that he's heard their advice, but that he disagrees, and that he's not going to change his behaviour. The social workers then put all the information together and take it to their lawyers, who'll either say it's not strong enough to go to court, or ask him if he really does want to ignore the advice because they think they have a good case. At t…

Saying that he could "just" do this in my opinion really simplifies it too much. You must be terribly sure of your case to open yourself up to such a risk. Also, in many countries, child protection services can preemtively declare you an unfit parent and place your children in foster care, pending a decision from a judge, which may well take months.

> Also, in many countries, child protection services can preemtively declare you an unfit parent and place your children in foster care, pending a decision from a judge

Which countries allow this?

It doesn't happen in England.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by icebraining »

galfarragem wrote: post #95
Chris2048 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ones are you thinking about?

According to my point of view, in Western Europe urban areas only the poor kids wander around and just because their parents don't afford to control them. However in Eastern Europe, nowadays not correlated with leftist policies, kids wander around..

Do or did you live in Western Europe? My experience may not extend to most countries, so I'm curious to know where you've seen that.
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