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How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by walterstucco »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #122
walterstucco wrote: post #72

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> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? F…

> If you start thinking about everything that _could_ happen, you wouldn't let your kids go out This is precisely where are now .

The next step is sending them away from their parents :)

http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Child_Abduction_is_Not_Funny

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by Chris2048 »

dagw wrote: post #102
Chris2048 wrote: post #80

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> Sounds like something that should be backed up Why? People state their opinions and experiences on HN all the time without such a requirement.

Why? People state their opinions and experiences on HN all the time without such a requirement. Because we're literally talking about an article about how fact-free policies are a bad thing.

That's the opinion of the article, yes. What has that got to do with HN?

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by walterstucco »

dagw wrote: post #94
walterstucco wrote: post #72

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> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? F…

Is it common for them to be hit by cars? According to CDC it's the second most common cause of accidental injury death among children aged 5-14 (after being in a car crash)

With or without parent's supervision?

The post I was replying to specifically said he's scared that his kid could be hit by a car when going to school on his own

It's fairly obvious that accidents are the most common cause of death for kids My point is that parent supervision don't protect them from being hit or end up in a car crash or fall down from a bridge

p.s.: main cause doesn't mean it is common I believe it's not very common, it's catastrophic for their young body when it happens, but not common

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Post by apexalpha »

icebraining wrote: post #97
Chris2048 wrote: post #82

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Which ones are you thinking about?

I know mostly in Portugal and Spain, but I've lived in Brussels for a few months and saw plenty of kids walking to school as well. I seem to remember the same in Budapest, but it was a short stay.

I always bike to school on my own since I'm 8 or 9 years old, I think. Back home during lunch if my parents are home and back again. It's only 1 or 2 km but still. Every kid just biked to school.

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by apexalpha »

nicklaf wrote: post #3

Any countries out there where this kind of helicopter parenting isn't endemic in the culture?

My parents put me on a train to the other side of the country to visit an Ajax game when I was 12, lol. Someone we knew picked us up there, but still... Not as bad as described here.

Usually my mom would just say: 'home when the lights turn on'.

This was pre kids-have-phones era...

Re: How Fact-Free Parenting Policies Rob Kids' Independence

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Post by [deleted] »

DanBC wrote: post #116
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #112

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> but that he disagrees, and that he's not going to change his behaviour. I don't think that's how it works, in this day and age. As Adrian mentions in the article: Being a divorced, single dad who has his kids 50% of the time, I have little recourse to challenge the Ministry’s decision. Disobeying it even in the slightest (i.e. allowing a trip to the corner store by my 9.75 year old), could result in the Ministry st…

> could result in the Ministry stripping me of equal custody of my children, It's not true though. The ministry can't strip him of equal custody rights, they can only go to court. A judge is the only person who can strip his rights away. THe claim is: > Disobeying it even in the slightest (i.e. allowing a trip to the corner store by my 9.75 year old), could result in the Ministry stripping me of equal custody of my c…

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Post by Xoros »

extra88 wrote: post #145
Xoros wrote: post #141

A friend of mine is father of 7. When they had their fifth kid, children protection started to show their faces on a regular base. Because, you know, having that much children, you are probably a bad parent. Of course, it's not a bad thing that they ensure that there is, in fact, no obvious problem home. It's important to watch for the children, they are the future of your country. But in his case, a wealthy entrepre…

I'm skeptical that this is the whole story, CPS departments don't have the staff to monitor every Duggar-wannabe. But if there was an incident that put you on their radar (even if it was actually nothing), I could see it taking a long time for them to take you off their list.

Well I don't really know. Maybe 5 kids is a trigger here in France.

But on a semi related subject, my wife and I decided to not put our kids in school this year and do home schooling.

To be well prepared, we asked people already doing it, joined Facebook groups of homeschooling parents nearby, etc...

The most frequent advice we had is to watch out when government will send someone to check out if everything is ok, as it's badly accepted in France to do homeschool. And they're known to try to corner you to get the kids back to school.

And a lot of parents think you're doing bad for your kids making this choice, so may be there is jealousy/angry involved.

But again, it's in France not Canada or US so it might be different.

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Post by falsedan »

Chris2048 wrote: post #148
falsedan wrote: post #90

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Because this one vilifies a large group of people based on their political preferences; and politics is basically a battle to see whose opinion will be reflected in reality. "language X is better than Y" is an opinion we accept at face value without sources, since it doesn't affect users of language Y, and has limited impact if it's wrong. Comparing a political stance to a disease does affect the users (implies they'…

> vilifies a large group of people based on their political preferences If I say Marxism is evil, aren't I also vilifying subscribers to that philosophy? That's fine, since it's a choice; both to take ideological criticisms personally, and to subscribe to it in the first place. > Comparing a political stance to a disease does affect the users I can't see how.

> If I say Marxism is evil, aren't I also vilifying subscribers to that philosophy?

Yes, and I would not be surprised to see people challenging that statement/asking for facts.

> > Comparing a political stance to a disease does affect the users

> I can't see how.

See my example from the post you quoted. Does it make sense? Try to put yourself in the shoes of a professional, successful PHP programmer who is aware of the advantages and disadvantages of the language & is comfortable weighing up the various trade-offs.

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Post by DanBC »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #128
DanBC wrote: post #116

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> could result in the Ministry stripping me of equal custody of my children, It's not true though. The ministry can't strip him of equal custody rights, they can only go to court. A judge is the only person who can strip his rights away. THe claim is: > Disobeying it even in the slightest (i.e. allowing a trip to the corner store by my 9.75 year old), could result in the Ministry stripping me of equal custody of my c…

I can't speak for Canada, but in Australia... In Australia men don't have a 50% custody right . The mother can just cease participating in the shared parenting plan. She could say "he lets them roam the streets unsupervised". Then it goes back to court, the courts tell the mother "you have to participate", and then she "forgets" or her "car breaks down" or she "doesn't have enough money for petrol". This can also, th…

But you're talking about a totally different situation.

OP isn't talking about a mother frustrating the will of the court (and I agree that's a problem); OP is talking about an agent of the state removing children from a parent.

If anything your argument just supports my point: she's violating her child's convention right to a family life with its father, but the courts can't do much about it.

If this "the state can just take your children" argument held any water the state, after the court cases, would see the mother breaking the court order and take the child off her. They don't, because it's very hard to do.

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Post by bisRepetita »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #132
bisRepetita wrote: post #34

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I have no idea how anyone could abduct 5 kids at once in a public place. Those little monsters scream loud and run fast.

I would try a net.

I bet 10 to 1 you end up in the net.
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