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Apple to hold iPhone 4 press conference on Friday

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Re: Apple to hold iPhone 4 press conference on Friday

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Post by rbanffy »

gmjosack wrote: post #67
rbanffy wrote: post #60

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Sorry, but the use of the verb "to hold" in connection to the iPhone4 made it too difficult to resist. I know snarky comments are not always well received here and generally agree they should never be the core of a discussion, but not many of us watch soap operas and companies like Apple and Microsoft, along with their Steves and Bills provides us with the missing drama. A world without Apple would be a lot less inte…

I was not disappointed at the quality of your post; In fact it made me chuckle. My comment was really on the chain that followed it. I replied to you only because you we're the leader of what resulted in a Redditesque joke thread. I think it's important that we can not come off as completely uptight around here and can enjoy the occasional quip but I definitely wouldn't enjoy long thread's where people are trying to…

If they succeed in being more clever than the previous, I can live with that. It's the failed attempts that kill the fun ;-)

Re: Apple to hold iPhone 4 press conference on Friday

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Post by sigzero »

ovi256 wrote: post #28
sigzero wrote: post #17

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I think they are going to own up. I mean, even Microsoft called iPhone4 "Apple's Vista moment". Steve must have spit his coffee out and said "Oh crap! I have to make this right". Anyway, that is what I am hoping.

By owning up, they are not making it right. Owning up is for the mediocre 90% of the pack. Apple lives and dies by its perfectionist reputation, and "owning up" would shatter that asset. They will most likely announce something big to change the conversation, as someone else already mentioned. This way, they'll make us forget us fast, and this will be making it right for them.

I don't think it is going to "shatter" anything. Letting the problem continue, that would "shatter" the reputation.

Re: Apple to hold iPhone 4 press conference on Friday

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Post by gojomo »

gmac wrote: post #59
gojomo wrote: post #7

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My wild guess: $50 gift certificate until the manufactured units have a mitigating change. At that point, a limited period of swap-ups if requested.

Since I've yet to encounter the problem, that would make me pretty happy. But for the same reason, I struggle to believe they'd be that generous.

Just to flesh out your data point, then:

Where do you live?

Have you had any other network issues -- dropped calls or an inability to dial out -- either with iPhone4 or a previous iPhone model?

Is there no effect on your call or data quality (either as reported by 'bars' or subjectively experienced) when touching 'the gap'?

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Post by andreyf »

superk wrote: post #65
andreyf wrote: post #41

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Really? And what about the years of experimenting with different variations of plastic polymers?

Are you serious? Do you really think a new plastic polymer was invented for your smart phone bumper?

Are you serious? Do you really think there is no IP protecting makeup and production of every single kind of rubber, plastic, metal, and glass used in the iPhone? That IP doesn't come out of nowhere: they either develops it in-house, license it, or acquire it.

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Post by superk »

andreyf wrote: post #75
superk wrote: post #65

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Are you serious? Do you really think a new plastic polymer was invented for your smart phone bumper?

Are you serious? Do you really think there is no IP protecting makeup and production of every single kind of rubber, plastic, metal, and glass used in the iPhone? That IP doesn't come out of nowhere: they either develops it in-house, license it, or acquire it.

So you're saying that when my fabricator in China mass produces these plastic keychains I sell, that a % of the $0.05 they charge per unit they are actually paying out as licensing overhead?

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Post by gmac »

gojomo wrote: post #74
gmac wrote: post #59

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Since I've yet to encounter the problem, that would make me pretty happy. But for the same reason, I struggle to believe they'd be that generous.

Just to flesh out your data point, then: Where do you live? Have you had any other network issues -- dropped calls or an inability to dial out -- either with iPhone4 or a previous iPhone model? Is there no effect on your call or data quality (either as reported by 'bars' or subjectively experienced) when touching 'the gap'?

I live in central London, UK (you can assume signal strength is pretty high here). Obviously I've also used my phone plenty of other places. In daily use I've not noticed any call or data issues with either the 3G or 4. Not that I've been looking for any, especially

Having just checked, seems I can drop my bars down from 4 to 3 by putting my thumb across the famous gap.

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Post by andreyf »

superk wrote: post #76
andreyf wrote: post #75

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Are you serious? Do you really think there is no IP protecting makeup and production of every single kind of rubber, plastic, metal, and glass used in the iPhone? That IP doesn't come out of nowhere: they either develops it in-house, license it, or acquire it.

So you're saying that when my fabricator in China mass produces these plastic keychains I sell, that a % of the $0.05 they charge per unit they are actually paying out as licensing overhead?

I don't know about plastic keychains, but with materials like the rubber or glass in the iPhone, absolutely. I mean, just as there are movies which use public domain music in the score, there might be some materials that aren't licensed or protected by IP laws, but I imagine that the vast majority of the materials are.

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Post by superk »

andreyf wrote: post #78
superk wrote: post #76

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So you're saying that when my fabricator in China mass produces these plastic keychains I sell, that a % of the $0.05 they charge per unit they are actually paying out as licensing overhead?

I don't know about plastic keychains, but with materials like the rubber or glass in the iPhone, absolutely. I mean, just as there are movies which use public domain music in the score, there might be some materials that aren't licensed or protected by IP laws, but I imagine that the vast majority of the materials are.

Ok. I don't know what you are talking about. But everyone on the internet right now is talking about generic plastic bumpers (like a glorified condom) for your phone. Not plastic materials found within the iPhone or developed by Apple. If you've never seen one before, it looks like this:

http://www.gadgetgreats.com/images/products/detail/SoftPlast...

I bought one for an iPod. It was $30. My impression was, this might be the most over-priced, marked-up product I ever purchased. Ever. It was clearly < $1 worth of generic keychain plastic. Clearly you believe there are $29 worth of IP and licensing costs to justify the price.

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Post by andreyf »

superk wrote: post #79
andreyf wrote: post #78

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I don't know about plastic keychains, but with materials like the rubber or glass in the iPhone, absolutely. I mean, just as there are movies which use public domain music in the score, there might be some materials that aren't licensed or protected by IP laws, but I imagine that the vast majority of the materials are.

Ok. I don't know what you are talking about. But everyone on the internet right now is talking about generic plastic bumpers (like a glorified condom) for your phone. Not plastic materials found within the iPhone or developed by Apple. If you've never seen one before, it looks like this: http://www.gadgetgreats.com/images/products/detail/SoftPlast... I bought one for an iPod. It was $30. My impression was, this might…

Clearly you believe there are $29 worth of IP and licensing costs to justify the price.

No, if there were $29 of licensing costs, then they'd be selling at a loss, since bringing such a product to market involves a lot of other costs, as well.

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