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Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by RickJWag »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #345
cr0sh wrote: post #306

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> I didn't vote for Trump, but I know many, many good people that did. Arguably "good people" don't support nor vote for an individual who openly brags about assaulting women... ...unless you have a different definition of what is considered "good". /much like christians claim "everything god does is good" - you know, like genocide via a flood...

>Arguably "good people" don't support nor vote for an individual who openly brags about assaulting women... If you take that stance, then your options are: 1. 45% of the voting people in USA support sexually assaulting women. Are you OK with that understanding? Do you not find something unsettling about saying 45% people in USA are OK for sexually assaulting women? The same conservative family oriented people, the sa…

Trump said things against women.

Hillary attacked brave women who stepped up to tell the world that her husband attacked them.

Words vs. actions. Clinton was worse than Trump. (BTW, I voted for neither.)

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by gnicholas »

justin66 wrote: post #363
gnicholas wrote: post #362

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> there is no equivalent name among liberals. DINO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_In_Name_Only

Nope. In order to be equivalent it would need to be used as frequently as the corresponding term (the textual similarity of the terms is not the point). Has anyone here ever actually been called a "DINO?" My personal sphere is populated largely with Democrats, Leftists, and Libertarians of various stripes and I've never seen this phrase written or spoken in conversation. (the only one I've seen on that page you linke…

Google search for DINO democrat and RINO republican indicate that the terms are used with similar frequency (340k vs 417k).

This coincides with my experience hearing the terms, so perhaps your experience is simply different based on where you live or who is in your social circle. FWIW, I have lived in CA and PA, and my friends are a mix of liberals and conservatives.

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Post by xkvd »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #356
xkvd wrote: post #348

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Yes, and it's still unclear to me how it'd be applied here.

The related "veil of ignorance" test also applies. Would you advocate for the systematic mistreatment of group X if you didn't know whether or not you yourself would be born as part of that group?

Appealing to the veil is a good but insufficient step. For instance, we might disagree what people would agree on behind the veil (imo because we encode moral assumptions into our conclusions from it). Nonetheless, if we were to get that far I'd say the veil would be doing its job.

For example, suppose I beleive in the systematic rejection of blind people from bus driving positions. I can see myself getting behind this even if I wouldn't know whether I'd be blind or not because I imagine behind the veil I'd put greater moral value associated with the safety of bus passengers than blind people's rights to the bus driving job. In other words, I've exposed the "driving" moral valuation behind my stance.

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Post by justin66 »

gnicholas wrote: post #372
justin66 wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. In order to be equivalent it would need to be used as frequently as the corresponding term (the textual similarity of the terms is not the point). Has anyone here ever actually been called a "DINO?" My personal sphere is populated largely with Democrats, Leftists, and Libertarians of various stripes and I've never seen this phrase written or spoken in conversation. (the only one I've seen on that page you linke…

Google search for DINO democrat and RINO republican indicate that the terms are used with similar frequency (340k vs 417k). This coincides with my experience hearing the terms, so perhaps your experience is simply different based on where you live or who is in your social circle. FWIW, I have lived in CA and PA, and my friends are a mix of liberals and conservatives.

Ah, thanks, that is interesting. (my background is actually similar - from OH but spent five years in Berkeley, where people won't use a simple term to dismissively label you when they could just talk at you until you fall asleep...)

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Post by candiodari »

joeblow9999 wrote: post #347
candiodari wrote: post #44

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No, he looks at it like left and right. From a European perspective American politics are simple: Republicans: extreme right (slight adjustment: closed borders, mostly for laissez-faire economic reasons) Democrats: extreme right (slight adjustment: (ever so slightly more) open borders, mostly for laissez-faire economic reasons) Libertarians: extreme right Even the bloody US communist party does not want to abolish ma…

Ha! If you think Republicans are laissez-faire in the slightest you have been reading headlines and not paying attention to actual outcomes

Politicians promise ... don't deliver. Not exactly limited to one side of the aisle.

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Post by tempthoughtsss »

cuckcuckspruce wrote: post #367
tempthoughtsss wrote: post #366

Duh, It bills itself as that. SF is the liberal strong hold on the other side of the conservative strong hold. I think if you want moderate that or of small middle town middle America. It seems as if because the liberal cities do financially so much better than the small town America many of those conservative Americans want to move here and feel comfortable expressing and acting on their view. The problem is I don't…

>I don't want to welcome those ideas, and I don't want people comfortable saying those things around me. Would you support legislation to prevent people from expressing views that disagree with?

No, the government shouldn't punish you for your views. But personally I sure as hell don't want it near me.

I don't care why you think minimum wages should be low because everywhere it is trash. I don't care what social issue you believe should dominate because every conservative city has trash culture. I can think of a single conservative idea I'd want implement and I think it's a weird cognitive dissonance that you believe that B.S. but would move all the way to the most liberal city in the world instead of one with those stupid ideas.

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Post by synicalx »

akilism wrote: post #69
jnet wrote: post #39

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When I see posts in my facebook feed that say unfriend me if you believe x, I always unfriend them even if I don't believe x. If you are not tolerant of different points of view I really don't want to be your friend.

There are some viewpoints that should not be tolerated though.

Answers like this truly surprise me. Do you not see a problem with normalising the idea of telling people how and what to think?

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

taylodl wrote: post #197
austenallred wrote: post #171

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I don't agree with those policies, but can you imagine any non-evil reason a rational person would hold those beliefs?

Fear. Fear of the other. Fear of a widening disparity between the haves and have-nots - and they're increasingly in the have-not category. Fear that their children won't be able to do as well or better than they did. Fear. And Donald Trump expertly capitalized on that fear while Hillary chose to ignore it. Trump won. I'm not convinced we progressives/liberals fully understand this because we're still ignoring this fe…

Just Fear, or fear of risks materializing?

The risk materialized for victims of terrorism.

The risk materialized for victims of drug gangs.

The risk materialized for victims of illegal aliens committing crimes including identity theft.

The risk materialized for victims of outsourcing. The risk materialized of well paying manufacturing jobs disappearing.

It's wasn't fear, it was the materialized risk. Many voted for Obama overcoming fear, choosing hope. But they realized you can't just choose hope, you have to go and bend reality to be what you want it to be. And they put a bend in flow of reality, choosing Trump.

The elite fail to sympathize with their own countrymen in peril, because having compassion for your fellow countryman means you were being a 'xenophobe'. That label is not very vogue in elite circles.

I, for one, am glad that the risk of Trump being elected materialized.

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Post by closeparen »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #342
plandis wrote: post #153

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In my opinion, some of the policies of the Republican Party seem downright evil to me. Restrict the civil rights of gays and Muslims (Trump himself stated that he was going to start a Muslim ban, he asked people to make it legal but the intent was very clear and stated by Trump several times: Muslim ban). They also want to restrict information on the internet which seems pretty evil to me (modern day book banning). T…

>They want to deport kids who have lived in the US their whole lives through no fault of their own. Why are all white people being asked to pay for some white slave owners? Why are they being punished for the sins of their forefathers? No white person alive now, ever owned slaves, it is illegal. No black person alive now, was ever enslaved, it is illegal. Are you giving a clean sheet to all white "kids" because slave…

Do you seriously think there's any moral correspondence whatsoever between trying to make a living in the US against its will, and owning/importing slaves?
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