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Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by lkbm »

plandis wrote: post #252
lkbm wrote: post #193

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I'm not pro-life, but I feel like if I thought abortion was actually murder of babies , I think I'd probably hold my nose and vote for whoever had the best chance of ending that practice. (Though, I also believe that would be Clinton--banning abortion is less viable than proving effective sex ed, and probably not hugely more effective.) Similarly, if I had spent much time in Libya, I might consider holding my nose an…

> But it doesn't--it could just mean you think the other candidate had stuff that was more disqualifying. That seems like a false dichotomy. There were third party candidates. Plus, you can always choose not to vote.

> That seems like a false dichotomy. There were third party candidates. Plus, you can always choose not to vote.

I've voted third-party a number of times, but that's because I've lived in unflippable states and I'm playing the long game. If you care about the short-term results that are this specific election and are in a state where it can change the results, voting third-party is the wrong choice. Not voting is an even more wrong choice--"both are bad and I'd like us to have better choices in the future" can best be achieved by voting third-party. "Both are bad, so I'll let other people decide" seems less likely to influence future elections, and it's obviously not the right way to effect this election. The one economic principle I always cite rings true here: Rational people think on the margin.

People who think abortion is infanticide saw an opportunity to fill the Supreme Court with justices who might ban abortion. Given their goals, not voting would have been a worse decision than voting for Trump was.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

plandis wrote: post #153
austenallred wrote: post #108

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I moved to San Francisco from a small, deeply red town. I'll just say this - I think even that small town would be more tolerant of liberals than I felt when I worked in San Francisco, and I'm not even really that conservative (just economically). The leadership at the company was very reasonable, but the politically active folks terrified me, and didn't just think that those that held conservative viewpoints were mi…

In my opinion, some of the policies of the Republican Party seem downright evil to me. Restrict the civil rights of gays and Muslims (Trump himself stated that he was going to start a Muslim ban, he asked people to make it legal but the intent was very clear and stated by Trump several times: Muslim ban). They also want to restrict information on the internet which seems pretty evil to me (modern day book banning). T…

>They want to deport kids who have lived in the US their whole lives through no fault of their own.

Why are all white people being asked to pay for some white slave owners? Why are they being punished for the sins of their forefathers? No white person alive now, ever owned slaves, it is illegal. No black person alive now, was ever enslaved, it is illegal.

Are you giving a clean sheet to all white "kids" because slavery was no fault of their own?

Ben Affleck's ancestors were slave owners, does that mean Ben should be punished and have to pay reparations?

>They want to deport kids who have lived in the US their whole lives through no fault of their own.

The interpretation for someone considering crossing border illegally: If you can sneak in with a less than 10 year old child into USA, stay hidden for 5 years or so, you can claim that the kid grew up in USA, is in USA for no fault of her own, and her family of undocumented parents should get to stay as well since USA doesn't want to separate families, which means we are all safe. That's Amnesty for entire family. I would be safe. Totally worth giving lives savings and taking loans to pay the human traffickers, there is risk of death and rape, but after that ordeal we would be safe. May be I will carry some drugs on me to pay for the trip.

Tell me why that interpretation is wrong?

You sympathize with the well-off, but still illegal, DACA recipients in USA. I am concerned about that family in South America starting the journey where enslavement and rape is real certainty.

>Muslim ban

Campaign rhetoric vs. reality. See his Saudi visit. That was a way to explain extreme vetting.

> Civil rights of gay

Trump is the first USA President who came to office while supporting Marriage Equality for gay and lesbian. Hillary and Obama declined Marriage equality for political gains.

I see this as a pure power play: Let me do what I want to do without any questioning, because somebody somewhere somehow, by some interpretation, is being oppressed.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by justforFranz »

humanrebar wrote: post #253
Shish2k wrote: post #147

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> Go to Texas and I'm sure you can find the opposite if you are looking for it I went to Texas and wasn't looking for it - but the first bar I walked into had photos of Obama and Hillary duct taped to the urinal for people to aim at :P

They'll also do that kind of thing with Texas A&M logos, so don't read too much into it.

It's 'cause Texans are classy.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by justforFranz »

Hey, ya know what? There are some people who very strongly believe that the only place in America they can live safely is in the SF Bay Area. And we're going to see more and more stories in the news about why that's the case as time goes on.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

cr0sh wrote: post #306
austenallred wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved to San Francisco from a small, deeply red town. I'll just say this - I think even that small town would be more tolerant of liberals than I felt when I worked in San Francisco, and I'm not even really that conservative (just economically). The leadership at the company was very reasonable, but the politically active folks terrified me, and didn't just think that those that held conservative viewpoints were mi…

> I didn't vote for Trump, but I know many, many good people that did. Arguably "good people" don't support nor vote for an individual who openly brags about assaulting women... ...unless you have a different definition of what is considered "good". /much like christians claim "everything god does is good" - you know, like genocide via a flood...

>Arguably "good people" don't support nor vote for an individual who openly brags about assaulting women...

If you take that stance, then your options are:

1. 45% of the voting people in USA support sexually assaulting women.

Are you OK with that understanding? Do you not find something unsettling about saying 45% people in USA are OK for sexually assaulting women? The same conservative family oriented people, the same law and order people, the same god and sins people are supportive of sexually assaulting women? Can we have survived as a nation so far if so many people supported sexually assaulting women?

2. Hillary still lost to such person. What does that say about Hillary?

If Trump's audio conservation had not leaked, he would have won by even larger margin. What does THAT say about Hillary? Why do you think that was the case?

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

Jtsummers wrote: post #123
stult wrote: post #42

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Having moved from the liberal coasts to Texas, I can tell you that you're right about the opposite experience happening too, and you definitely don't have to go looking for it.

I was assaulted by a ROTC cadet once, around 2005 or 2006 in a conservative town at a conservative college for saying that the Iraq War was a mistake (in several ways, I'm not sure which one was specifically being discussed that day). I wasn't even speaking to the guy, just discussing news with some friends and he happened to be nearby. I found it amusing that a man who was going to take an oath to defend the Constit…

Trump uttering "Bush lied, people died" at debate, inside Bush library, to the cheers of the crowd, Republican Conservative crowd.

If Trump hadn't done that, I would have gone for eternity judging those people as war mongers no matter the cost.

If Trump hadn't said "I want some punishment for the woman" on abortion, I would have gone for eternity judging all anti-choice folks to be for incarceration of women for exercising choice.

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Post by joeblow9999 »

candiodari wrote: post #44
LyndsySimon wrote: post #23

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> than the golden calves US libertarian society has set up is shunned This doesn't make any sense to me - as an (extreme) libertarian, I see very little progress on that front. The Democrats and Republicans have each used the libertarian "brand" when it has suited them, but neither have implemented any actual libertarian positions in my lifetime, at least not that I can recall. Out of curiosity, are you perhaps viewi…

No, he looks at it like left and right. From a European perspective American politics are simple: Republicans: extreme right (slight adjustment: closed borders, mostly for laissez-faire economic reasons) Democrats: extreme right (slight adjustment: (ever so slightly more) open borders, mostly for laissez-faire economic reasons) Libertarians: extreme right Even the bloody US communist party does not want to abolish ma…

Ha! If you think Republicans are laissez-faire in the slightest you have been reading headlines and not paying attention to actual outcomes

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by xkvd »

greglindahl wrote: post #316
xkvd wrote: post #285

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Yeah, but I have a feeling that we're both outside of the set of people who would make the statement I was quoting in my OC, which might explain why you and I can't find such a rule.

Have you considered the Golden Rule?

Yes, and it's still unclear to me how it'd be applied here.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

dbingham wrote: post #89
staticelf wrote: post #77

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What is harm? Lowering taxes could for example cause a lot of harm too indirectly if those taxes went to something important. I don't like religion for example and would like organized religion to be illegal in my country. If I went on TV and said this I bet this would be a very unpopular opinion and people would most likely send me tons of death threats. I think this mentality is stupid and if you are upset the corr…

Well, to offer one clear example of harm, we have Nazis openly marching in the streets and arguing for racial cleansing of the US. As someone of Jewish decent, I find that pretty directly threatening. Given where those arguments have lead before -- the holocaust -- is allowing people to advocate for those viewpoints truly harmless?

Nazis in USA are a joke.

Islamist in the USA is a real threat to USA.

Look into what Islamic migration into Europe is doing to Jewish population in Europe.

>allowing people to advocate for those viewpoints truly harmless?

How else would you get to have fun at those people's expense?

And, not letting someone advocate their viewpoints because you don't like it, is more un-American than Nazism. And, not letting someone advocate viewpoints you don't like, is cornerstone of Nazism. So, there is that.

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Post by Can_Not »

otp124 wrote: post #295
plandis wrote: post #153

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In my opinion, some of the policies of the Republican Party seem downright evil to me. Restrict the civil rights of gays and Muslims (Trump himself stated that he was going to start a Muslim ban, he asked people to make it legal but the intent was very clear and stated by Trump several times: Muslim ban). They also want to restrict information on the internet which seems pretty evil to me (modern day book banning). T…

Let's rewind a bit of history and look back to what the Democratic Party did to civil rights and a race for the next 100+ years after a bold Republican emancipated the slaves. People everywhere can do horrible, horrible things. Read your history books, and try hard to prevent history from repeating itself.

Let's not pretend as if political parties are immutable over periods of time such as 150 years.
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