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"we assume the "system" is at fault" ... which is, of course, inconceivable. "Either you are racist and think "asians are better than everyone else", or you have to concede that culture and virtues are the cause" Or might it be the likelihood that the Asians who are in the US in the first place tend to be a very tiny percentage of relatively fortunate families from their own societies back in Asia, and elites tend to…
According to NYT, the effect is present even on poor and working-class asian families. They also attribute to culture (but like you point out this isn't true for all minorities, only Asians): https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-asian-... NYT Quote: "Why should the success of the children of Asian doctors, nurtured by teachers, be reassuring to a black boy in Baltimore who is raised by a struggling s…
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#42This trend is based in our culture's obsession with equality of outcomes. Rather than telling those who are struggling to change culture or virtue -- we assume the "system" is at fault and force a change there. As the author pointed out, HS graduation rate is the symptom not the cause to be treated. As an example, asians whether immigrant or American-born typically have the best credit, highest graduation rates, purs…
The other is a child of refugees who fled their homeland.
The refugee descendant has a much more typical level of financial dysfunction in his family, but still far better than the "underclass" elements in the US native-born population.
As someone who grew up in an Appalachian family that has been in the US for over 300 years, cultural dysfunction plays a HUGE role in academic failure.
Let's be honest here:
The advent of birth control has now created a situation where people who don't have their shit together are going to reproduce at a higher rate than those that do. My metric for cultural dysfunction is whether a family raising kids "has their shit together" and teaches productive habits to their kids. Foods, music, language are just the visible cultural traits. Much less obvious are the habits of timeliness, respect for authority, willingness to examine one's OWN role in failure before jumping to blame others, etc.
The key issue in the US is we don't have a conversation about cultural differences, and instead have a conversation about racial differences, which completely obscures the real issue.
60%+ of black American children are born out of wedlock. This isn't caused by some magic gene. This is a sub-culture within the black American population that has cultural dysfunction that matches that of some of the bad elements at play within my Appalachian relatives.
We know that poverty isn't the root cause. Equally poor Latino and white communities have much higher percentages of fathers present in the household. Incarceration rates don't explain the gap either. Culture is almost certainly the answer.
I say this as a person who spends a lot of time helping the neighborhood kids who are playing with my son every afternoon. Almost all of them have parents who, contrary to the narrative pushed out, are not working 60 hours a week at 2 jobs. No, they are working 40 hours or less at a crappy job, and then invest their time/resources into blowing off steam at the end of the day. Car hobbies, drinking, NFL games, but helping their kids do their homework? No way. A lot of them don't even bother TELLING their kids to do their homework.
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#43That so few schools recognize this doesn't mean "higher education is eroding"; higher education has always been a niche of a niche.
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#44This trend is based in our culture's obsession with equality of outcomes. Rather than telling those who are struggling to change culture or virtue -- we assume the "system" is at fault and force a change there. As the author pointed out, HS graduation rate is the symptom not the cause to be treated. As an example, asians whether immigrant or American-born typically have the best credit, highest graduation rates, purs…
Within the context of a stable democracy founded upon a legacy of Judeo-Christian values which encourages individualism, yes this is true. I think that's the winning combination personally.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Haha wait though, why is good to "change the status quo" if it results in deep cuts to public school funding (in support of "school choice")? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-... Is this what you're saying? To talk about my views a little, I disagree with the whole, "No Child Left Behind" thing and increased standardized testing. I think we need to worry more about kids getting into what th…
A test is an evaluation of knowledge leveraged or gained. If the test is seeing a significant number of failures, then it is indicates that instruction is not aligning with the evaluation metric. Students should be measured and addressed according to each individual's aptitude; there is no reason for our goal to be 100% students going to college. 100% going to college means the colleges have lowered their standards.…
Still, she's upsetting it in favor of her relatives getting paid loads of money to produce illiteracy.
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I worked 3 years as a Resident Director. I blame the low academic standards for this way of college. People drop out of college just because they can't get to their seats for class on time and can't hand in assignments. The cost of failing to do these things don't really kick in federally till after their sophomore year. I can't tell you how many people were dumbfounded that their 1.25 GPA meant they had to go to com…
> where I have backing powder and hydrogenation peroxide What's that for?
ALSO it helps with the smell of unwashed clothes, and poor hygiene (Especially smelly hair I LEARNED TO HATE THAT SMELL). I would also boil white vinegar in my tea pot when the smell got really bad.
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#47This trend is based in our culture's obsession with equality of outcomes. Rather than telling those who are struggling to change culture or virtue -- we assume the "system" is at fault and force a change there. As the author pointed out, HS graduation rate is the symptom not the cause to be treated. As an example, asians whether immigrant or American-born typically have the best credit, highest graduation rates, purs…
I recently read Hillbilly Elegy, and one of the key insights I got from there was success seemed to be related to a stable home / family, and in particular a presence of mentors and role models. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the success of Asians (South Asians + East Asians) also stems from the fact that divorce is looked down upon and extraordinary efforts are made to prevent it from happening. Divorcees are of…
However, he's not wrong on cultural dysfunction.
I should also point out that Hillbilly Elegy has been embraced by the same political class that rejected the same key points made by Charles Murray here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/books/review/charles-murra...
I should also note that Vance's book could only have succeeded as a critique of working-class white culture. Had a black man written a book like this about cultural dysfunction in his own community, he'd be vilified and marginalized as an "Uncle Tom" blaming the victims.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Haha wait though, why is good to "change the status quo" if it results in deep cuts to public school funding (in support of "school choice")? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-... Is this what you're saying? To talk about my views a little, I disagree with the whole, "No Child Left Behind" thing and increased standardized testing. I think we need to worry more about kids getting into what th…
A test is an evaluation of knowledge leveraged or gained. If the test is seeing a significant number of failures, then it is indicates that instruction is not aligning with the evaluation metric. Students should be measured and addressed according to each individual's aptitude; there is no reason for our goal to be 100% students going to college. 100% going to college means the colleges have lowered their standards.…
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Well, love or have DeVos's plans, she's trying to change the status quo, while we spent the last 16 years doubling down on it.
Haha wait though, why is good to "change the status quo" if it results in deep cuts to public school funding (in support of "school choice")? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-... Is this what you're saying? To talk about my views a little, I disagree with the whole, "No Child Left Behind" thing and increased standardized testing. I think we need to worry more about kids getting into what th…
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#50This trend is based in our culture's obsession with equality of outcomes. Rather than telling those who are struggling to change culture or virtue -- we assume the "system" is at fault and force a change there. As the author pointed out, HS graduation rate is the symptom not the cause to be treated. As an example, asians whether immigrant or American-born typically have the best credit, highest graduation rates, purs…
Other notable aspects of culture (well, in this case language) is that perfect pitch occurs more often in speakers of tonal languages (think chinese), and speakers of languages with shorter words for numbers can remember lists of numbers easier [3]
Now does this mean we don't try to fix other things? No. "Culture" is not a panacea for everything I would think. What do you do with those born into a unfavorable circumstances? But I do agree that more often than not we're trying to fix the wrong thing when fixating on outcomes, instead of tools and opportunities.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstede%27s_cultural_dimensio... [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/malcolm... [3]