Higher Education Erodes
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Higher Education Erodes
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#2Well duh.
Between cliques, crazy parties, and general irresponsibility, I ended up treating getting my bachelor's degree as I treated my HS diploma: that place I have to go to for four years while avoiding just about every so-called 'social engagement' that takes place after 5pm.
Of course students will need the requirements nerfed down to nothing - when only three or four other people besides me got enough sleep at night to be awake at the 8AM class, who can blame the schools for trying to adjust their expectations of these students?
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#3Shouldn't the market take care of this? Apparently there are colleges willing to "dumb-down" their curriculum to maintain graduation rates, but those colleges will become a black mark on one's CV and so the good students would choose not to attend those colleges, right?
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#4> job descriptions and society do not have the luxury of dumbing themselves down too much
Um, yes they do. It's called training. It used to be a thing back when HS diplomas were like 2yr degrees were like 4yr degrees
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#5Shouldn't the market take care of this? Apparently there are colleges willing to "dumb-down" their curriculum to maintain graduation rates, but those colleges will become a black mark on one's CV and so the good students would choose not to attend those colleges, right?
Actually, I think the market has created this. To me it looks like universities have moved from things like subjects that represent the apex of current human knowledge (hard sciences, philosophy, literature...) to a far more vocationally focused curriculum (business, marketing, game design, hospitality...).
To me this looks like a loss of idealism and a move towards a market idea of what sorts of things make up valuable knowledge. It also seems like a real loss of something important.
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#6Shouldn't the market take care of this? Apparently there are colleges willing to "dumb-down" their curriculum to maintain graduation rates, but those colleges will become a black mark on one's CV and so the good students would choose not to attend those colleges, right?
Shouldn't the market take care of this? Only if students can pick their HS, rather than be placed in one by their zip code. Bad schools, make bad students, but students can't leave bad schools, due to their zipcodes... Education reform on zipcodes is a MUST.
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#7Shouldn't the market take care of this? Apparently there are colleges willing to "dumb-down" their curriculum to maintain graduation rates, but those colleges will become a black mark on one's CV and so the good students would choose not to attend those colleges, right?
>but those colleges will become a black mark on one's CV and so the good students would choose not to attend those colleges, right?
How many colleges can you name off-the-cuff that you'd never hire from? Do you actively follow every college to figure out if/when they water down their requirements?
There is no information exchange other than the press and word of mouth for what you're wanting the market to fix. The other metrics, graduation rates and job placement rates, supposedly wouldn't be reliable statistics in your view.
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#8Well duh. Between cliques, crazy parties, and general irresponsibility, I ended up treating getting my bachelor's degree as I treated my HS diploma: that place I have to go to for four years while avoiding just about every so-called 'social engagement' that takes place after 5pm. Of course students will need the requirements nerfed down to nothing - when only three or four other people besides me got enough sleep at…
that sounds like a terrible way to do college
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#9This is just really sad to me. The saddest thing - I can't even imagine a world where the current administration in power in the US gives a sh)t about this, at all. We're f)cked in a few years because other countries care so much more about the important things.
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#10This trend is based in our culture's obsession with equality of outcomes. Rather than telling those who are struggling to change culture or virtue -- we assume the "system" is at fault and force a change there. As the author pointed out, HS graduation rate is the symptom not the cause to be treated.
As an example, asians whether immigrant or American-born typically have the best credit, highest graduation rates, pursue higher education, and have the highest paying / stable jobs of any culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...
Either you are racist and think "asians are better than everyone else", or you have to concede that culture and virtues are the cause -- since they too are in the same education system. They simply emphasize the right priorities, convey those to children, and teach functional life skills (conscientiousness, hard work, etc).