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How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

taysic wrote: post #220
Spivak wrote: post #211

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This law will affect everyone but it seems like it will devastate companies that have no monetization strategy other than collecting user data and either selling it or mining it for targeted ad placements. https://unroll.me/ is a good example. They provide a free service to users but make money by leveraging their total access to your inbox to sell ad analyics and competitive intelligence.

It could also devastate small companies at an early stage which need to dedicate resources to get into compliance rather than building their product. It might hurt the bad players but it really depends on how readable the text will be to the average user. If it's going to be a checkbox it will likely not do much.

If you build it from the ground up there is not that much work involved. Retrofitting is the complexity.

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Post by kbart »

AJRF wrote: post #2

I'm going to read thoroughly through the terms and conditions and get a case going in European Courts when this comes into play, because you know for a FACT Google and Facebook will put in some vague term to let them collect data for "future" improvement of the service. Watch and see.

Vague terms and conditions is even against current EU laws which mandates to state specific use cases for your personal data.

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Post by kbart »

0x27081990 wrote: post #20

Google and Facebook will find a way. Problem are small/young startups

What problems? So you can't collect all the data on your costumers and do with it as you see fit? And when it gets leaked just say: "Oops, sorry"? If for some startups taking private data seriously is a "problem", I want to see them burn in fire.

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Post by riffraff »

traek wrote: post #250
riffraff wrote: post #241

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I am pretty sure instagram had revenue, even if no profit. It was a paid app, the money must have gone somewhere.

Instagram has never been a paid app.

oh, sorry I was thinking of whatsapp!

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Post by sprafa »

fulafel wrote: post #235
exmicrosoldier wrote: post #173

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The EU has a nuclear option for google. Ireland and the netherlands are both in the EU. If google loses its incorporation in those companies, it might have to pay US taxes on repatriated US holdings. Ireland and the Netherlands subcompanies are essential part of US Corporate tax evasion. (Double Irish with a Dutch sandwich).

The EU doesn't have the power to do that. The EU is more like a bunch of international treaties between sovereign states than an apex of power hierarchy.

Used to be true but increasingly less since the euro crisis tbh. I've lived in two countries in the EU (native to one of them) and the perception is definitly that a lot of power has shifted, and not for the worst. Honestly small EU countries love the EU for the strong currency and the appearance that they have for making smart legislation like this one, the ban on roaming charges, etc. even the windows without IE thing was a good idea, while poorly implemented. Without the EU small countries would have little to no power over global corp anyway, so this is essentially the EU delivering on its promise.

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Post by davedx »

throwaway_9123 wrote: post #54
shadowtree wrote: post #32

And if you think GDPR is a toothless joke, let's take a look at the defined fine stucture. It is pretty simple, only 3 levels (strikes for the fellow Americans): Strike 1 - Stern warning letter Strike 2 - 2% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) And now you know why GDPR is a board level topic. Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got…

Throwaway account. I have national sales responsibilities for one of the majors. Think IBM/Microsoft/Oracle/etc leading a sales team of 74 reps. You'd be surprised at how LITTLE sales we've generated from GDPR. We've been providing free GDPR assessments for the past 1.5 years for over 200 accounts as lead gen opportunity and very little sales have resulted. It all boils down to companies simply don't believe the fine…

Yeah, both my work and my wife's companies are taking it very seriously. The point is at the moment, we all think we can handle it internally: legal is very busy doing prep work that will result in requirements across the business, some of which will result in development work (I'm in the IT department). My wife is busy documenting and preparing requirements too.

What kind of companies do you sell to? Maybe they are actually trying to handle it internally too? What do they say?

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Post by davedx »

andy_ppp wrote: post #257
bad_user wrote: post #224

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The EU just fined Google €2.42 billion in an antitrust settlement for manipulating search results. Go get the salt.

Yes, the EU regularly kicks the asses of companies to help consumers in Europe. I'm sure we won't get the same protection on pesticides, pharmaceuticals/medicine, GM, white goods, monopolistic practices like this, roaming charges, etc. etc. once the UK leaves the EU.

Indeed. The conservatives are already drooling over all the consumer/citizen-hostile things they'll be able to do once the UK is out.

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Post by davidatyc »

andy_ppp wrote: post #257
bad_user wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU just fined Google €2.42 billion in an antitrust settlement for manipulating search results. Go get the salt.

Yes, the EU regularly kicks the asses of companies to help consumers in Europe. I'm sure we won't get the same protection on pesticides, pharmaceuticals/medicine, GM, white goods, monopolistic practices like this, roaming charges, etc. etc. once the UK leaves the EU.

How come the EU doesn't care about "pesticides, pharmaceuticals/medicine, GM" ?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by taysic »

grabeh wrote: post #255
taysic wrote: post #210

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Im guessing they would force the company to make tracking not on by default but rather opt-in (lol)? But what's confusing is - if you clearly state how the data will be used upfront, do you need to offer an opt-out? What if your service simply doesn't work unless the data is used in a particular way?

Under the GDPR one way to use data for purposes unrelated to the underlying service provision is to look to obtain consent. That is not opt-out consent but clear informed consent through opt-in. If your service won't work functionally without certain data then consent is not right ground of processing to rely on. There is a specific ground relating to processing necessary to provide a service. If your service isn't f…

Interesting but complex. I could imagine there are a lot of issues on how to express your intent with the data.

Some uses of data might be ancillary to the direct goal of the user but still unexpectedly useful.

Interesting from the article: "purpose that is vague or general, such as for instance ‘Improving users’ experience’, ‘marketing purposes’, or ‘future research’ will – without further detail – usually not meet the criteria of being ‘specific’”.[3]"

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