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China's New Wave of Internet Censorship: Name Verification for Online Commenting

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Cool, but that's not what I asked was it. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-... Took me 2 seconds to find that. Your lack of knowledge isn't proof of something not existing. Where Antifa discharging firearms at peaceful protesters? Or was that the neo-nazis?

'Violence is okay as long as my kind of people do it'. I have nothing more to say to you.

No where did I say or imply that. No violence is okay. However classing the Antifa bogeyman in the same league as the group that fired guns into protesters and ran down people in a car does a massive disservice to yourself and your country.

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False equivalence. Look how the 8 years Dem controlled spooks were insufficient to get 4 more years. Yes, US law enforcement and security services are doing a lot of dumb things (TSA security theatre, NSA sitting on 0-days and playing cyber instead of helping the civilian sector patch up), but they don't arrest troublemakers. (They arrest you for weed, but not for running an anti-establishment site.)

> They arrest you for weed, but not for running an anti-establishment site Funny you say that, because arresting people for weed started as a way to arrest people running antiestablishment sites ;) http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-r...

That link doesn't work for me, but I guess this is it: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-r...

And yes, of course, there's a clear bias in the Controlled Substances Act, and its enforcement.

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http://budapestbeacon.com/news-in-brief/counter-terrorism-ce... https://english.atlatszo.hu/2016/11/08/illegal-trade-of-burn... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-05/deutsche-... In the communications act there was a provision about suspicious registrations reporting requirement. The big providers (like Telekom, a subsidiary of Deutsche Telecom) have a well established working relationship with the defen…

Thanks for the links. Assuming close cooperation between the telecom companies and the national security agencies is the direction you want things to go, there's definitely room for improvement. In the Bloomberg article, improvement is what's happening. Expecting perfection out of the gate--or even at any given time--is setting someone up for failure. If this is something you care about, what you can focus on is that…

That "improvement" has been the only thing coughed up after staying silent for 3 full days. And of course no one ever loses their job in the Hungarian government for not delivering.

Eventually they'll fix this "security hole", but they won't magically become hyper-competent :/

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I don't see Antifa mowing down protesters in cars and spewing Nazi hate speech at Nazi rallies they organized though, so I'd say that's a false equivalency.

That's because the media has insanely lopsided coverage of recent attacks. It's a miracle no one's died from antifa attacks yet. Look up Eric Clanton. I also encourage you to watch actual footage of events starting with the Milo protest in berkely; the stuff I've been seeing on my news feed has nothing to do with reality.

Having abundant first-hand experience of such events, I don't think your comment has anything to do with reality either. Poor as the quality of the coverage by the professional news media is, that by the amateur news media is just as bad or worse - framed and edited for maximum sensation with no attempt at fact-checking.

Yes, there has been some violence from the anti-fascist side, such as Eric Clanton being hit with a bicycle lock. But you are overlooking the fact that fight-wing activists have initiated more and more deadly violence in similar contexts: a stabbing at a rally in Sacramento last year; a shooting Washington state earlier this year; and of course the deliberate driving of a car into a crowd at Charlotteville a couple of weeks ago. Screenshots from Discord suggest that particular tactic was discussed in advance by RW activists.

I don't want to go on a Gish gallop or we'd be here all day, but I'd also encourage you to reflect on the fact that while Antifa supporters endorse the idea of punching nazis, popular figures with a public following on the far right have publicly and formally expressed the desire for civil war and even genocide. It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion without addressing that dichotomy.

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There are a dozen popular live streaming apps in China where one can simply just stream what you're doing to everyone on the site and people can just watch them for hours. You can think of it like Instagram stories or Snapchat per se. Or even Facebook live. This isn't some western media propaganda. I tried one of them very recently (I don't want to give them any undeserved marketing), they allowed me to sign up and t…

To create a facebook account, you need either mobile phone number or email. To have an email, you still need a mobile phone number to register for gmail (the most popular choice). To have a mobile phone number, you need your passport or ID. Yes, in some cases you can get phone numbers without passport, but then again you can also get IDs and fake passports easily in China if you want.

I found it interesting to read that GMAIL can be quite anal about account creation. I have one from years back. Hardly ever use it. But I have noticed that GMAIL accounts seem to be the email service of choice on Craigslist (Casual Encounters). I better explain myself here. I live in area that is well protected by the police. But one night I went out to pick up a pizza, halftime, and I was outside by my car waiting, and was approached by a Lady of the Evening. I was kind of stunned. So I started monitoring Craigslist. I said all this to bring up my experiences with Outlook.com. I set up 3 accounts, all using the "Alternate email address" option. One for my father, stop his griping about GMAIL, one for a friend to keep in touch while I was on a roadtrip in Oregon, and another one for me. Once set up, I tested them out, send/recieve an email. Within few days, all were "Temporarily Suspended", for some unspecified "possible" violation of ToS. To unlock them I would be require to provide a text able phone number to recieve an activation code, and require to use the code within 10 minutes. Now I did not create these accounts all at once, there were months in between. I am just waiting for the day, when my other accounts, which I have had for years, multiple accounts were needed in the days before email aliases, to recieve the same treatment. So I am not really hot on the idea of providing them my phone number, especially after this type of treatment. Therefore, what they call "burner phone", I guess is the solution. Suggestions would be appreciated on a "burner phone". I remember years ago, when there was talk of the government controlling the internet, and websites protested by turning their backgrounds to black. That today there are many large tech companies now applying their own version of privacy invasion (tracking) and censorship.

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/23/mark-zuckerberg-might-be-the...

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/when-si...

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'Violence is okay as long as my kind of people do it'. I have nothing more to say to you.

No where did I say or imply that. No violence is okay. However classing the Antifa bogeyman in the same league as the group that fired guns into protesters and ran down people in a car does a massive disservice to yourself and your country.

Okay, and Antifa have seriously hurt multiple police offers. I seriously don't get how you can ham on the alt-right but defend Antifa, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.

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No where did I say or imply that. No violence is okay. However classing the Antifa bogeyman in the same league as the group that fired guns into protesters and ran down people in a car does a massive disservice to yourself and your country.

Okay, and Antifa have seriously hurt multiple police offers. I seriously don't get how you can ham on the alt-right but defend Antifa, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.

See anigbrowl's comment below for a well thought out response.

I'm also not defending Antifa, I'm commenting on your equivalence between the two groups. Sure, in the broadest of strokes they are the same, but so are all criminals. But one would not say a shoplifter is the same as a murderer.

> I seriously don't get how you can ham on the murderers but defend shoplifters, they're both fringe groups that shit over society's rules.

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What is the objection to keeping track of who voted?

Its supposed to be a secret ballot. Of course, most people tell their friends which way they voted, but that's their choice.

You mean you count not showing up to vote as an active vote choice that should be protected by secrecy? Because the secrecy of the physical votes is produced by the mixing of large numbers of indistinguishable containers prior to reading, not by the votes being handed in by strangers.

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I am from China. Call me selfish, but I really hope China Internet censorship is not discussed on HN. HN is one of the few sites I like that GFW (Great Fking Wall) doesn't block. More threads about the 'sensitive' stuff about China, will almost surely get hacker news blocked.

Github has been blocked before. An outcry from the dev community finally got it unblocked. But that seldom happens.

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People can use commenting to call for genocide or push people into suicide, they can use communication to plot terrorist attacks, etc. The only difference is that it is not physical damage. I support anonymity, I hated what Airbnb made me do in terms of insecure exposing of my identify to them (and then had I use an empty gmail account to verify in the end).

I don't understand how you can expect to be anonymous in a service where the point is to physically show up. There are all sorts of practical safety considerations that don't apply to other services.

I feel perfectly comfortable giving even intimate details directly to the host. But I did not feel well sharing them with AirBNB itself.
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