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China's New Wave of Internet Censorship: Name Verification for Online Commenting

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Re: China's New Wave of Internet Censorship: Name Verification for Online Commenting

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Post by orf »

jorvi wrote: post #108
eloff wrote: post #82

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I also found this surprising. Cloudflare specifically always took the stance that it's not their place to censor the internet, which is why they permitted extremist/terrorist content[1] that people were pressuring them to remove. It amazes me that they kept that, but deleted the alt-right stuff. Now I think these alt-right websites are disgusting, but worse than ISIS? [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/clou…

ISIS is a bad example. Antifa however? CloudFlare (and domain registrars) should either exile the extremes on either side, or allow either side. The situation right now is stupendously lopsided.

I don't see Antifa mowing down protesters in cars and spewing Nazi hate speech at Nazi rallies they organized though, so I'd say that's a false equivalency.

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Post by wyager »

orf wrote: post #191
jorvi wrote: post #108

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ISIS is a bad example. Antifa however? CloudFlare (and domain registrars) should either exile the extremes on either side, or allow either side. The situation right now is stupendously lopsided.

I don't see Antifa mowing down protesters in cars and spewing Nazi hate speech at Nazi rallies they organized though, so I'd say that's a false equivalency.

That's because the media has insanely lopsided coverage of recent attacks. It's a miracle no one's died from antifa attacks yet. Look up Eric Clanton. I also encourage you to watch actual footage of events starting with the Milo protest in berkely; the stuff I've been seeing on my news feed has nothing to do with reality.

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Post by wyager »

bsder wrote: post #182
wyager wrote: post #63

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Are you aware of how the only people in the US to ever be successfully censored from the public internet for political (as opposed to legal) reasons are far-right websites? This literally happened in the last week; domain registrars (the only gateway the public has to critical public DNS infrastructure) decided to voluntarily censor various far-right websites citing "hate speech" as their justification. There is, evi…

> Are you aware of how the only people in the US to ever be successfully censored from the public internet for political (as opposed to legal) reasons are far-right websites? It wasn't the GOVERNMENT that did this. That's the only thing that freedom of speech laws give you freedom from. And, those sites weren't suppressed because they impacted politics; they were suppressed because they impacted profitability . It's…

I agree. I did not claim this is the government's doing.

I agree censorship of political content on private infrastructure is (and should be) legal; I also believe it's plainly immoral and should alarm people. I also believe that, given that the public DNS is government-controlled, it nominally belongs to the public and private entities like cloudflare should not be gatekeepers to it.

Of course, the best solution is for everyone to switch to some sort of crypto-based truly public DNS system like Namecoin, but that's not happening for a while.

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jjeaff wrote: post #153
guscost wrote: post #140

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I'm cynical about a lot of things, like our dysfunctional mess of a government, a Fortune 500 saturated with exploitative bullshit, and the silly summer-camp that college has turned into. And people have been telling me about the decline of America for my whole life (admittedly not a long life). But I think they are just overwhelmed with worry because we have access to so much information, and I think America easily…

On almost any metric I can find, the US is getting better and better. The only decline the us is experiencing is a decline in growth "rates" which is predictable for any mature economy. Crime is lower, standard of living is higher, poverty is less... That's not to say the us doesn't have a lot of problems, but overall, it is objectively better than before.

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Post by perlwle »

arthurfm wrote: post #75
neya wrote: post #5

There are a dozen popular live streaming apps in China where one can simply just stream what you're doing to everyone on the site and people can just watch them for hours. You can think of it like Instagram stories or Snapchat per se. Or even Facebook live. This isn't some western media propaganda. I tried one of them very recently (I don't want to give them any undeserved marketing), they allowed me to sign up and t…

> Imagine, Facebook asking you to upload your passport before you do a live stream. When I created an account with AirBnB I had to upload government-issued ID documents and a photo of myself [1]. Their Android app even asked me to scan the chip in my UK passport via NFC. [1] https://www.airbnb.co.uk/help/article/1237/how-does-providin...

similar thing for Airbnb China. They ask for National ID and fullname then run ID check. I was surprised and thought it was a chinese thing. Look not..

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Post by orf »

wyager wrote: post #192
orf wrote: post #191

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I don't see Antifa mowing down protesters in cars and spewing Nazi hate speech at Nazi rallies they organized though, so I'd say that's a false equivalency.

That's because the media has insanely lopsided coverage of recent attacks. It's a miracle no one's died from antifa attacks yet. Look up Eric Clanton. I also encourage you to watch actual footage of events starting with the Milo protest in berkely; the stuff I've been seeing on my news feed has nothing to do with reality.

Lopsided or not, Antifa protesters have not driven a car into 'the other side' have they.

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Post by jorvi »

orf wrote: post #196
wyager wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the media has insanely lopsided coverage of recent attacks. It's a miracle no one's died from antifa attacks yet. Look up Eric Clanton. I also encourage you to watch actual footage of events starting with the Milo protest in berkely; the stuff I've been seeing on my news feed has nothing to do with reality.

Lopsided or not, Antifa protesters have not driven a car into 'the other side' have they.

I haven't seen any Nazis completely ripping up a town like Antifa did to Hamburg, so yes, actually, Antifa is shit and we should be rid of them sooner rather than later.

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Post by orf »

jorvi wrote: post #197
orf wrote: post #196

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Lopsided or not, Antifa protesters have not driven a car into 'the other side' have they.

I haven't seen any Nazis completely ripping up a town like Antifa did to Hamburg, so yes, actually, Antifa is shit and we should be rid of them sooner rather than later.

Cool, but that's not what I asked was it.

Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-...

Took me 2 seconds to find that. Your lack of knowledge isn't proof of something not existing.

Where Antifa discharging firearms at peaceful protesters? Or was that the neo-nazis?

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Post by anigbrowl »

wyager wrote: post #63
darpa_escapee wrote: post #56

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I've yet to see any proposals from the latter camp whereas I've seen dozens of pieces of legislation successfully passed and attempt to pass from the former.

Are you aware of how the only people in the US to ever be successfully censored from the public internet for political (as opposed to legal) reasons are far-right websites? This literally happened in the last week; domain registrars (the only gateway the public has to critical public DNS infrastructure) decided to voluntarily censor various far-right websites citing "hate speech" as their justification. There is, evi…

Communists don't advocate genocide as a matter of dogma.

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Post by jorvi »

orf wrote: post #198
jorvi wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't seen any Nazis completely ripping up a town like Antifa did to Hamburg, so yes, actually, Antifa is shit and we should be rid of them sooner rather than later.

Cool, but that's not what I asked was it. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/german-police-... Took me 2 seconds to find that. Your lack of knowledge isn't proof of something not existing. Where Antifa discharging firearms at peaceful protesters? Or was that the neo-nazis?

'Violence is okay as long as my kind of people do it'.

I have nothing more to say to you.

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