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Re: China's New Wave of Internet Censorship: Name Verification for Online Commenting

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Post by ju-st »

neya wrote: post #5

There are a dozen popular live streaming apps in China where one can simply just stream what you're doing to everyone on the site and people can just watch them for hours. You can think of it like Instagram stories or Snapchat per se. Or even Facebook live. This isn't some western media propaganda. I tried one of them very recently (I don't want to give them any undeserved marketing), they allowed me to sign up and t…

You can't watch any 18+ movies on Amazon Prime without uploading your passport.

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Post by pas »

imhoguy wrote: post #113

Nothing surprising. At least they state it officially in the law. But Western goverments approach providers to open backdoors (e.g. Lavabit case) and keep users fooled that they still have any anonimity.

False equivalence.

Look how the 8 years Dem controlled spooks were insufficient to get 4 more years.

Yes, US law enforcement and security services are doing a lot of dumb things (TSA security theatre, NSA sitting on 0-days and playing cyber instead of helping the civilian sector patch up), but they don't arrest troublemakers. (They arrest you for weed, but not for running an anti-establishment site.)

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Post by gruez »

paradite wrote: post #110
gruez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chat/Social Media: Wechat's P2P money transfer, cashless transaction helps when there are no foreign competitors (thanks, GFW!), and credit/debit card infrastructure is underdeveloped > Phone: Xiaomi Mi Mix, One Plus series Both of which are barely profitable or operating at a loss >JS framework: Vue.js MVVC with html bindings has been around for years now

So I'm just wondering if your measurement of success/leader is based on innovation, profitability, or popularity? Because you seem to be picking the whatever that suit your argument, while we usually consider any one of them to be an achievement.

I think you were ultimately referencing this line

>This is why there's no Chinese technology leaders, no Chinese Apple

Going off that,

> Chat/Social Media: Wechat's P2P money transfer, cashless transaction

same point as in my original comment, and it shows because there's barely any use outside of china (and maybe expat communities). they're only a "leader" in china.

> Phone: Xiaomi Mi Mix, One Plus series

For one, apple has killer margins on its phones, whereas they do not. Even comparing among android phone manufacturers, they're worse in terms of market share and profitability (as opposed to Samsung, for instance). Their only selling point their $/performance, which will surely disappear when their VC subsidy runs out. "leaders" aren't underdogs. "leaders" don't sell discounted phones at a loss.

>JS framework: Vue.js

I can't say i know the js ecosystem very well, but vue.js does seem to be the fastest growing MVVC framework (at least in the realm of logic-in-tags languages). But the problem I see is that javascript frameworks come and go, and it could very well drop off a cliff in a year or two after the next hottest thing comes out. Is it a leader? Sure, for now...

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Post by zzzcpan »

grzm wrote: post #120
pas wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The perps in the Paris attacks used Hungarian prepaid SIM cards. Of course the national defense agencies were so dumb they haven't noticed that a few guys registered hudreds of thoudands of accounts. So making phones more traceable doesn't really work against terrorists, when there are so many incompetent people watching us :(

> Of course the national defense agencies were so dumb they haven't noticed that a few guys registered hudreds of thoudands of accounts. Would you elaborate more on the background of this? Were the SIM cards sold and registered with a private company? I would suspect it is (or they were, if more than one). Which national defense agencies are you referring to? Did the national defense agencies search these records? Do…

They are not dumb, they just don't work for the people and terrorism is not even a threat they care about. On the contrary, they consider the people a threat and consider terrorism a form of propaganda, that is useful to trick people into accepting all kinds of crap.

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Post by gergdgdfg »

I grew up in China and came to the U.S. more than 10 years ago.

What I have been seeing is the decline of the United States.

That's said, I'm worrying about China a lot more. I think it's on track to repeat the mistakes it had done before.

You often see articles here saying China will surpass the States in A.I. and science. I doubt it. I doubt a country without freely accessible information will be competent. I doubt true intellectuals would like to live in a place like this. soviet union was an example.

I used to get angry at these things (censorships, corruptions). But now I'm tired, not because China is clearly drifting away from what I want it to be, but because I saw many fellow Chinese really believe in government propaganda, and justify its wrong doings. They have the Stockholm syndrome, decorating a nightmare into a beautiful dream (of China being the new world leader and all the censorship shit is necessary to fence off the invasion of western culture. such a bullshit!). And there are also many others who simply don't care.

Now I just want to hide somewhere and mind my own things.

Who will be replacing the States? Europe is weak and is at its bottom, Russia is no better than China. Maybe Australia or Canada.

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Post by tyrell_corp »

rkido wrote: post #112
donatj wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was once convinced that China was on the verge of becoming a new force in modern technology They have amazingly intelligent people and a wonderful hacker community, the problem is it stands entirely at odds with the government's "what's best for society" attitude. The problem most overtly controlling government's aren't willing to accept is that what's best for society this exact moment might not be what's best f…

Um, you seem to be unaware of Tencent and Alibaba, both vast enterprises. Tencent owns League of Legends, the biggest multiplayer game in the world, as well as WeChat, which is comparable to WhatsApp in number of users. WeChat is revered by tech leaders in the West, it basically blows everything else out of the water in terms of features and robustness.

Tencent did not create League of Legends. They just bought the company that did, Riot Games(American).

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Post by tyrell_corp »

paradite wrote: post #49
SCHiM wrote: post #35

Leaving aside subjective judgments if doing this is right/wrong, good/in-line with the Chinese culture or whatever else. If you view the societal/political cohesion/consensus as a process of behavioral survival of the fittest (eg. requiring a certain flexibility to adapt) then taking away the flexibility that anonymous online communication affords your citizens might not be so good when/if it becomes time for the sys…

You make some very interesting points on flexibility and the ability to adapt. I also wonder how China is able to keep adapting to circumstances and survive if the voice of people is not heard. But then I realize China has a different system to allow that to happen. In modern China, the only way for politicians to go up the ladder of leadership is to slowly rise from the bottom. In this sense, they were once a normal…

> they were once a normal citizen as well

China has a widespread nepotism.

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Post by coldtea »

neya wrote: post #5

There are a dozen popular live streaming apps in China where one can simply just stream what you're doing to everyone on the site and people can just watch them for hours. You can think of it like Instagram stories or Snapchat per se. Or even Facebook live. This isn't some western media propaganda. I tried one of them very recently (I don't want to give them any undeserved marketing), they allowed me to sign up and t…

>Imagine, Facebook asking you to upload your passport before you do a live stream.

I can imagine it very well. Just like most countries require an ID to purchase a mobile account / SIM card.

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Post by pas »

grzm wrote: post #120
pas wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The perps in the Paris attacks used Hungarian prepaid SIM cards. Of course the national defense agencies were so dumb they haven't noticed that a few guys registered hudreds of thoudands of accounts. So making phones more traceable doesn't really work against terrorists, when there are so many incompetent people watching us :(

> Of course the national defense agencies were so dumb they haven't noticed that a few guys registered hudreds of thoudands of accounts. Would you elaborate more on the background of this? Were the SIM cards sold and registered with a private company? I would suspect it is (or they were, if more than one). Which national defense agencies are you referring to? Did the national defense agencies search these records? Do…

http://budapestbeacon.com/news-in-brief/counter-terrorism-ce...

https://english.atlatszo.hu/2016/11/08/illegal-trade-of-burn...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-05/deutsche-...

In the communications act there was a provision about suspicious registrations reporting requirement.

The big providers (like Telekom, a subsidiary of Deutsche Telecom) have a well established working relationship with the defense agencies (they are called national security services, there are a few of them in Hungary, some are focusing on Internal Affairs (counter intelligence), some are on conspiracies, etc.

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