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Kind of dangerous seems like quite the understatement, considering the nature of lithium batteries! It'd be fun to play with something like this for the learning, but I wouldn't actually run one unless it was in its own shed, many dozens of yards from the nearest anything else. Lithium fires are no joke.
BTW I've seen lithium cell safety bags, that can hold the flame enough. I wonder how a case could be done in a similar way to at least contain the heat and gas. Also, could there be a thermoelectric powered fan to slow down the heat rise when cell(s) starts to fail or burn ?
DIY Powerwall Builders Are Using Recycled Laptop Batteries to Power Their Homes
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Re: DIY Powerwall Builders Are Using Recycled Laptop Batteries to Power Their Homes
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Imagine the bad PR you would get when your product kills your customers.
I can go to Home Depot or Lowe's, right now, and walk out with a breaker box, conduit, a bag of breakers, a couple hundred pounds of copper, and install my own household 220V/150A electric service. Local codes or the electric company may require an electrician to sign off on my work before I grid tie, but the companies who make the stuff aren't going to refuse to sell to me. Nobody seems to think me killing myself by…
and its headline news whenever their cars kill someone
Re: DIY Powerwall Builders Are Using Recycled Laptop Batteries to Power Their Homes
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The batteries being talked about are 18650s, which is mentioned pretty clearly in the article and apparent from every single picture of batteries in it. This makes sense, because the vast majority of laptops sold across the world use a set of 18650s as their batteries. These are also the form factor of batteries being used in current Tesla powerwalls (though I believe they will also switch to the 21700 form factor as…
> In short, you're overestimating the risks and underestimating the level of safety attainable with these products. No. When it comes to things that might produce fire inside your house, there is no such thing as overestimation. You cannot be over protective when it comes to fire safety. Source: I was a firefighter for +7 years.
Have you ensured your house is built exclusively of fire resistant materials, and avoided buying modern furniture with inflammable fabric covering and interior padding? Have you installed a Halon system in your home and all physically adjoining structures?
What an absurd statement.
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> Flashlight geek here. Can I ask a flashlight question? :) How do I tell how many lumens a flashlight really is? I go on Amazon and I see XyzFire flashlights that claim to give out many more lumens than would make sense, and many times they're inconsistent on the page itself. I don't know how to really tell. (If it matters, I'm trying to find a flashlight that fits in my pocket, is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/…
You need to find a review written by an enthusiast with measuring, or at least estimating equipment. Assume all the *fire brands are outright lying. Cheap stuff claiming more than about 1500 lumens per 18650 is usually lying. There is, however a pocketable, $40 flashlight that makes an honest 4000+ lumens on a single 18650: the Emisar D4. There's a catch though: it's dissipating about 80 watts of power to do that and…
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This stuff isn't black magic, it's science and engineering. As more hackers participate in this space, the open source components and techniques will get better and better (I'm not familiar with open source battery management systems but I would bet there is already some good stuff out there). I think there are a lot bigger dangers to hand-wring over than nerds needing out over this stuff. I think there are as many o…
The barrier of entry is ownership of a modern vehicle that you are willing to brick at your own expense. You can't 'throw hackers' at something like that. The car manufacturers have all of the control, and in a sense, it is black magic.
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This stuff isn't black magic, it's science and engineering. As more hackers participate in this space, the open source components and techniques will get better and better (I'm not familiar with open source battery management systems but I would bet there is already some good stuff out there). I think there are a lot bigger dangers to hand-wring over than nerds needing out over this stuff. I think there are as many o…
> As more hackers participate in this space, the open source components and techniques will get better and better I so strongly disagree with this assumption. We got a nascent not even close to open source scene on x86 and a few hobbyist tweak boards. They still use proprietary hardware, the firmware is still almost always proprietary, the drivers are often proprietary, and for general users 99% of their OSes are pro…
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> Flashlight geek here. Can I ask a flashlight question? :) How do I tell how many lumens a flashlight really is? I go on Amazon and I see XyzFire flashlights that claim to give out many more lumens than would make sense, and many times they're inconsistent on the page itself. I don't know how to really tell. (If it matters, I'm trying to find a flashlight that fits in my pocket, is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/…
You need to find a review written by an enthusiast with measuring, or at least estimating equipment. Assume all the *fire brands are outright lying. Cheap stuff claiming more than about 1500 lumens per 18650 is usually lying. There is, however a pocketable, $40 flashlight that makes an honest 4000+ lumens on a single 18650: the Emisar D4. There's a catch though: it's dissipating about 80 watts of power to do that and…
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Danger of electrocution is not particularly high, but can easy start a serious fire with such batteries. The energy capacity with create a seriously hot arc if shorted, and there is a potential for thermal runaway of the battery cells.
I once saw two marine lead-acid batteries explode and catch fire in the boat next to mine when the owner had dropped something big enough to short circuit and not disintegrate itself. Instead a fat copper cable exploded and then probably both batteries boiled, exploded and then everything caught fire. It took about 3 seconds. Luckily he avoided the acid spray, but he had to empty 4 large fire extinguishers from the n…
Driving home in the rain, and the tail light wires were submerged in water that was pooling in the trunk and shorting out. As I put my foot on the brakes - on the freeway in the pouring rain - the fusible link in the engine bay decided to just catch on fire instead of being a fusible link. The battery quickly boiled and I had a sudden and catastrophic engine bay fire on a crowded road.
A car battery has enough amps to literally use as a welder (two jumper leads, an arc welding rod and a 550CCA car battery is enough to stick most things together in an emergency :P ), and is more than enough to create a massive fire.
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BTW I've seen lithium cell safety bags, that can hold the flame enough. I wonder how a case could be done in a similar way to at least contain the heat and gas. Also, could there be a thermoelectric powered fan to slow down the heat rise when cell(s) starts to fail or burn ?
You absolutely can design a firewall system able to fully contain a runaway pack. They have small systems that look like briefcases to nab runaway laptops on planes, for example. But when a cells goes, it goes . No fan is going to remove anywhere near enough heat. And you wouldn't want it to spread the vapors, as HF is a genuinely dangerous byproduct. The only real solution is full containment. And being 100% confide…
Thanks nonetheless for the return
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You need to find a review written by an enthusiast with measuring, or at least estimating equipment. Assume all the *fire brands are outright lying. Cheap stuff claiming more than about 1500 lumens per 18650 is usually lying. There is, however a pocketable, $40 flashlight that makes an honest 4000+ lumens on a single 18650: the Emisar D4. There's a catch though: it's dissipating about 80 watts of power to do that and…
Any thoughts on the Wowtac A2 vs Wowtac A2S?