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Is the open office layout dead?

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Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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Landlords won't generally let you make structural/material changes to a floorplan without a longterm lease to justify it. However, you can make some pretty snazzy temporary office space that doesn't require permanent modifications to the space using privacy walls and glass partitions[1]. From a structural standpoint, they're basically fancy cubicles, and made by the same companies as standard cubicles. The most damag…

What do they actually do for noise mitigation though? If people can't take calls in them without disrupting others, and if someone could theoretically still shout at their neighbor when they need to have a discussion it sounds less than ideal.

Depends entirely on the type you get and how you install them. If you get floor to ceiling types with appropriate glass, it provides just as much sound isolating properties as a traditional office.

And with appropriate sound dampeners (either on the ceiling, as artwork or whatever on the walls, or a non-glass side), you keep the sound within one from echoing or sounding hollow. A few setups I've seen involved using opaque glass as a side/separator between alcoves, and hanging sound dampeners disguised as artwork on those walls. Another used faux-walls made out of the same material as traditional cubicles to separate each micro-office, and that material is designed expressly for sound dampening. And works really well if it's floor to ceiling.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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Cubicles were maligned as passé ("cubicle farms") and staid so that managers and facilities could present open office spaces as au courant, forward and entrepreneurial so that in turn they could save in area per employee expenses. If they can call cubicles "farms" (echoing sharecropping, drudgery), then we could just as easily and aptly call open office layouts "sardine cans" with all the earned baggage that comes wi…

Some ideas: "Open cans" "Sweat farms" "Sweat cans" "Headphones farms"

The traditional "bullpen" works well.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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No designated desks. Please please please no. Having "personal" space at the office is just as important as having "quiet" space. I do not want to feel like a drifter, a student in the library, or a tenant in a co-working space, unless I am actually one of those things.

I left my last company in large part because there was no designated desks. Even worse, the office was overcrowded and some days I wouldn't be able to find a seat at all. Honestly, to me, it's insulting that a company would not value it's employees enough to provide them with the most basic tools like a desk.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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No designated desks. Please please please no. Having "personal" space at the office is just as important as having "quiet" space. I do not want to feel like a drifter, a student in the library, or a tenant in a co-working space, unless I am actually one of those things.

At my current job, they plan to move office and to change the organisation from "open office layout" to what they call "dynamic layout", including no designated desks. And they made some studies stating that an average of X% of the company workforce time is spent in meeting rooms, so they can cut off the number of desks by X% (minus a small delta). People will even have lockers to store personal stuff... I'm looking…

They did this at my last place.

But wait, I have a matlab license and VS installed. So I need to be at my desktop PC or reinstall everything every day. Oh, and to debug some parts of this legacy code, I'll need local admin or it crashes.

No, I don't want to switch to a laptop.

Oh, you can permanently book my desk for me in 6 monthly blocks? Works for me...

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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At my current job, they plan to move office and to change the organisation from "open office layout" to what they call "dynamic layout", including no designated desks. And they made some studies stating that an average of X% of the company workforce time is spent in meeting rooms, so they can cut off the number of desks by X% (minus a small delta). People will even have lockers to store personal stuff... I'm looking…

They did this at my last place. But wait, I have a matlab license and VS installed. So I need to be at my desktop PC or reinstall everything every day. Oh, and to debug some parts of this legacy code, I'll need local admin or it crashes. No, I don't want to switch to a laptop. Oh, you can permanently book my desk for me in 6 monthly blocks? Works for me...

Well, they already planned that all of us will have a laptop + a cell phone. (We don't get to choose our hardware so desktop PC is not an option...)

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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How open is Dropbox to remote work? A lot of places of work "allow" or "tolerate it," but it feels hard to use this working mode for a consistent period. Working from home often has the same stigma as unlimited vacation days--you can do it, but it's often frowned upon...

I think that stems from the many people that "work from home" only to take their cat to the vet, get their car washed, go to the dentist, and pick up their dry-cleaning. Most of the time whenever I hear the term "working from home" I immediately assume they will not be home and will not be working.

This confuses working from home with work-on-your-own-schedule/core working hours.

At my current company, when I work from home, I'm expected to be working and available from 9 to 5. At a previous company, you only need to be available for a specific time interval during the day, otherwise you can work anytime you want.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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Not as complex, but: electrics, lighting, networking, phone, smoke alarms, sprinkler system, ventilation, security... it does all add up.

None of which costs more in cubes vs tables.

It's not cubes vs tables, it's offices vs cubes.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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A laptop is a great substitute for a desktop if you have a dock. I just place my laptop on the dock, it clicks into place and I have a couple of big screens, a full size keyboard and a mouse on my desk. No different than a desktop.

The article is discussing mobile desks, so to get the benefit you are describing you'd have to have docks, monitors, and peripherals at every workstation.

Some offices do exactly that. Thinkpad docks everywhere.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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It's quantified, along with the gains from ease of access to everyone and the increased communications and social geling of everyone. Individual offices are simply not worth it, financially, culturally and physically.

The entire article, and all the studies, flatly contradict you.

The entire article offers as much evidence for their claims as I do: none.

Have you visited the offices at Google? Yahoo? Facebook? Tesla? Square? Twitter?

They are all bursting at the seams and are fighting on a daily basis with each other to find new space to expand, which is very hard to find here. Same for pretty much all the companies in the Bay Area, actually.

The mere idea of switching these companies from an open floor plan to individual offices will get you laughed at for proposing something completely nonsensical.

Open floor plans are here to stay.

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