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Is the open office layout dead?

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Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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I saw long back in a Microsoft job ad in some computer magazine that one of the perks they offered devs was "a door" or "a room with a door" :)

Some years later, I visited an MS development center in Hyderabad, and was invited to the offices of a few devs - they actually did have a decently large room each as their office, with enough space for more than one desk, many computers, space for many books, etc., and still some free space in the middle, plus a whiteboard each, etc.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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Bose headphones spy on listeners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bose-lawsuit-idUSKBN17L2B...

It's a good reminder for those "I prefer BT to wired headphones"

No, it's not. BT used with the standard protocols is fine. It's a reminder not to install stupid "apps" when there's absolutely no need for them.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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Funny, the quoted Architecture Firm in the article is Gensler, who designed my last company's office space. Which included 6 rows of desks[1], each row seating 8 people with no separation left and right, and only a low divider between the person in front of you. And they designed it in 2015, 3 years after the PDF the quote was taken from was published. Sounds like even they aren't buying into the "open offices are dead" narrative.

[1]https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x89c803629c02a71...

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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We've recently moved into new offices in Frankfurt/Germany and being the CTO of our 40 Person Startup gave me an in-depth look at all the calculations involved. It's simply horrible how expensive it would be to give private offices even to >3 people in our company. I've fought tooth and nail to keep everyone in small team offices( We've got two small rooms set aside as flex-desks(complete with 2 4K Monitors & Gigabit…

Landlords won't generally let you make structural/material changes to a floorplan without a longterm lease to justify it. However, you can make some pretty snazzy temporary office space that doesn't require permanent modifications to the space using privacy walls and glass partitions[1]. From a structural standpoint, they're basically fancy cubicles, and made by the same companies as standard cubicles. The most damag…

What do they actually do for noise mitigation though? If people can't take calls in them without disrupting others, and if someone could theoretically still shout at their neighbor when they need to have a discussion it sounds less than ideal.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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> No designated desks If the day comes that my $DAYJOB employer goes this route, that's the exact day I quit. Hot desking is some of the most idiotic, brain-dead stupid shit I can imagine. I have desk drawers for a reason... so I don't have to lug around every single item I use at my desk, everywhere I go. Not to mention the books on my desk, which I am definitely not hauling back and forth every day.

No designated desks is the Agile of floor planning. Everyone's the same, anyone can do the same job, you can hotswap spaces and people as you replace hard drives.

While I agree with your overall point, I would add that anybody who thinks that "Agile" prescribes that people be considered fungible, has been misled. Somebody's specific implementation of "agile" might prescribe that, but nothing in the Agile Manifesto says anything like that.

In fact, I'd argue that, to a first approximation, anytime anybody makes a statement along the lines of "Agile says you do X", you can safely assume that they don't know WTF they are talking about, and/or they are confusing Agile with "Foobar Inc. Fucked-up Agile".

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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Are we running new sewer and water lines? Installing a drain pan? Retiling? I thought for an office, you need to frame w/ some metal studs and drywall, doors, and maybe blown-in insulation to abate sound. Not nearly as complex or skilled an endeavor.

It's a pain in the rear. Also keep in mind that you're often stuck with landlord approved vendors some some trades. Your budget gets wacky when you're stiffed paying $75/linear foot for bullshit like plastic wire moulding.

Yup. Power over ethernet would have never caught on if it weren't for electricians unions and approved vendor/contractor requirements.

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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What about cubicles?

I would honestly rather change careers than work in a cubicle. They give me a feeling of deep existential dread. Do some actually prefer them?

Private office > shared office > nice cubicles > cheap cubicles >> bullpen

Re: Is the open office layout dead?

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I pretty much agree. They also feel like shantytowns in a way since they are flimsy pieces of material. I'd imagine that a nicer looking quality framework of wood without the ghastly florescent lighting would go a long way to improve perception.

It's funny, since I see restaurants that generate only $70 per meal (around 2 hours or so?) build super elegant wooden partitions that accomplish the exact same thing that cubicles do in an office environment. It seems like it shouldn't be too expensive to do that...

Herman Miller (the company that invented cubicles) makes very nice modern-looking cubicles with doors.
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