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Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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Yes, but sometimes necessary if you cannot extract the nail. It is mostly risking damage to equipment. (Oh, forgot safety glasses.)

You wouldn't do that on a table saw . That's why they sell Sawzalls.

If all you have is a table saw... But yes you're right.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#132

My question is this, what happens when cutting wet wood? Or wood that has nails in it? Did you just cost yourself $$$ by doing it?

Yes, it does not work with wet wood. You rarely want to cut wet wood though.

As for wood with nails, you NEVER cut wood with nails in a workshop. Nails + metal blades = sparks, and woodshops, even with ventilation and vacuums,have wood dust everywhere on the floor, the air, etc. It'd be the surest way to start a fire.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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You know why heavy gloves are used? Work clothing? Why there are safety rules and mandatory training? Why there are emergency stops? See, there are other ways to provide safety in this situation. And you cannot make anything really idiot proof. World will find a better idiot. This automated solution has a major drawback when sawing through anything too capacitive, wet wood, wood with nails etc. The company pushing th…

Please please please don't wear gloves while operating table saws or any other spinning tools.

You actually should wear form fitting tough gloves. (Unless you like splinters.) You should not wear loose gloves or clothing that could get pulled into the saw.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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My wife, when we were dating, bought me a Unisaw, one of the so-called dangerous saws. (She's also the woman who would say "I'm going out to get some milk, do you need more clamps? Woodworker joke, sorry :) I have no intention of getting a sawstop saw. Why? Because my shop is full of dangerous tools. My 1930's drillpress ripped some of my hair out, my 1940's metal lathe can take your arm off, my bandsaw is way more d…

For me, the safety stuff was a bonus to the fact that the Sawstop is a really great tablesaw. It was a huge upgrade in power, accuracy, and just fit-and-finish over my older less-safe saw.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#135
have you seen his price point? Nobody wants his tech because its crazy expensive. The brake isn't reusable, so you have to have a spare lying around so your project doesn't get delayed. I don't want it because proper safety keeps your fingers attached. Its not rocket science.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#136

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2004 was a long time ago. Can we just assume for the sake of discussion that the state of the art in electronic devices was different then?

We're talking about a small piece of circuitry that detects a current. This was possible in 2004, it was hardly the dark age of electronics back then. Besides, the more complex part of the sawstop, at least to my eyes, is the part where you have to stop a big metal blade from spinning very fast ASAP. Just putting some brake pads on it like a bicycle wheel is not going to be good enough.

Poster above said that the stopping works differently in Bosch saw.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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I find the complacency argument to be flat. The Sawstop technology doesn't prevent injury, you still get nicked by the blade, it just dramatically reduces the severity of injury incurred. Additionally when the mechanism trips the break and blade are spend and must be replaced. So the motivation to be safe around the saw isn't negated, it's just driven by different factors. Instead of motivation coming from the fear o…

Furthermore, making it into a monetary loss might actually help people be more careful. Time and again I see people respond much better to "that will be expensive to fix if you break it" than to "that will maim or kill you." My flying club's annual safety meeting always puts heavy emphasis on the time and money cost of breaking our equipment for this reason. It seems to work well.

Everybody has an experience making an expensive mistake that they can relate to. (Living) people don't generally have experiences dying that they can relate to.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#138

have you seen his price point? Nobody wants his tech because its crazy expensive. The brake isn't reusable, so you have to have a spare lying around so your project doesn't get delayed. I don't want it because proper safety keeps your fingers attached. Its not rocket science.

Yeah, this article is completely ignorant of the fact that he's using the legal system to try to force manufacturers to buy his technology.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#139

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Yes, but sometimes necessary if you cannot extract the nail. It is mostly risking damage to equipment. (Oh, forgot safety glasses.)

You wouldn't do that on a table saw . That's why they sell Sawzalls.

I've cut metal many times with a table saw. All you need is the right blade!
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