Hmmm. It seems Atom/Electron devs need to work hard to slow down new generation processors...
Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
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Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#152In retrospective, Intel should have bought NVidia when they had the chance; GPUs is the only area making huge progress year to year now.
Even better course of action would be AMD merging with Nv instead of ATI.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well actually I think it's more a case of "increase in performance is becoming harder and harder, the technology leader (Intel) is slowly becoming stuck and the competition (AMD) is catching up". Everybody will be more or less at the same level as it requires huge investments to only get a marginal advantage. Apart from games, I would not be that afraid to install recent pieces of software (browser, office suit, os)…
Gains in instructions-per-clock start to flatten out. And that's where the gains were coming from in the last years. Some time ago a paper was posted here that showed how even if you have an infinite amount of transistors, you will still be limited in the range of 3-10 instructions-per-clock for typical programs. Clock speeds seem to have leveled and IPC will only see another gain of 50-100%. Single threaded performa…
> Some time ago a paper was posted here that showed how even if you have an infinite amount of transistors, you will still be limited in the range of 3-10 instructions-per-clock for typical programs.
Do you know what papers that was? I would have thought that with infinite transistors you could speculatively execute all possible future code paths and memory states at the same time and achieve speedup that way.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#154I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…
So it does affect only Desktop workload right? Because on servers as long as we use virtuals we should be good. Am i right?
No. Basically the Intel ME is a completely separate ARM processor that's physically stuck onto each Intel Processor. It has direct access to everything the Intel chip does. The memory it's allocating, the hardware commands (ie keyboard, mouse, display), the software running, the processes running. This all happens at a higher level than the actual Intel processor and you have no control over it at all.
Basically whatever you run at any level on your Intel chip can be monitored by the Intel ME chip, no matter how many VM's, operating systems, encrypted files/processes you have installed/are using.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#155In retrospective, Intel should have bought NVidia when they had the chance; GPUs is the only area making huge progress year to year now.
Intel didn't buy NVIDIA, but they did buy Altera, and there's plenty of room for growth with FPGAs.
Aren't FPGAs mainly for design phase and the real crunching in the industry done on ASICs? At least whole automotive industry works that way - FPGAs to design/test stuff, ASICs for production and making money.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think GPUs are a particularly good solution for these, they aren't the future and won't be around for mass-deployment that much longer.
That's quite a statement - what will replace GPUs for the ever increasing amount of ML work being done?
TPU-like chips; though they can be (partially) included on GPUs as well as is the case with the latest NVidia/AMD GPUs.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The step from 14 to 10 nm is huge . Both from a technological perspective on the manufacturing side as well as on the effect it will have to the number of transistors on a die and the power consumption of those transistors. Remember that power consumption and the number of transistors are related to the surface area so there is a square factor in there. 14 nm ^2 = 196, 10 nm ^2 = 100, so that's almost a doubling of t…
Okay, so the node names are effectively useless at this point. They used to refer to gate length, but no longer, even for Intel. Oh, and Intel's 10nm will actually have lower performance than their 14nm. Besides, it matters not, the bottlenecks today are in memory and interconnects.
Performance compared to what? Same power, Same price, or just the performance of the fastest processor of the series?
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
When was the last time we saw a 50-100% performance gain in cars? airplanes? spacecraft? Was it the end of those industries? Welcome to mature technology.
> spacecraft Economically? I think this or last year.
Economically, SpaceX is about 3% cheaper than Arianespace.
That's not a 50% or 100% improvement.
Maybe they'll get that improvement once they run recycled rockets all the time, but not before that.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know the depth of how unrealistic is your advice, right?
Do you know the depths of not taking that advice and what lurks in them? Do you know that if everybody simply took it to heart, there'd be nothing unrealistic about it at all? How many months of abstinence and solidarity would be required to end these practices, or the companies if they so wish? And then that money simply shifts to ethical companies and we actually have a future. Or, we keep pretending it's all so ve…
You are asking for the whole of humanity to stop buying some of the most sought after products of modern times from two of the best-selling makers of that industry.
I am all in for some philosophical discussion but actually being this detached from reality doesn't make you any good. It's not because you can see the stars that you can reach for them right now...
So yes, in summary: it is hard, to the point of impossibility.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#160Hmmm. It seems Atom/Electron devs need to work hard to slow down new generation processors...
Don't worry, i'm sure they'll do it....