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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by freehunter »

nl wrote: post #102
zimpenfish wrote: post #87

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> Is it people who support Nazis who downvote this There are certainly a lot of people on here who are very keen to point out that the Nazis aren't that bad because [bullshit reasons], yes.

Are there? I mean, I see lots of false equivalence arguments and (possibly fair, possibly not) criticisms of political violence from left-leaning groups. But surely no one is arguing "Nazis aren't bad" on HN?

They’re not saying “Nazis aren’t bad”, they’re saying “these guys with swastikas and Nazi symbols holding guns and shouting Nazi slogans are actually political moderates and true Americans”.

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Post by talmand »

freehunter wrote: post #260
talmand wrote: post #255

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Left-wing violence goes back just as much. Those people defending their "rights" in the Civil War were Democrats.

Democrats today are not Democrats of yesteryear. The ideology of the two parties switched during the Civil Rights movement. The Civil War was not “left wing violence”.

That's the only reason I post such a statement. To see how the myth of the switching parties is still being pushed.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #243
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #215

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>And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US. Chip fabs are already overseas and there's zero practical approaches to bring them here. President "Job Creator" can't bring these jobs here, period. Intel's various management, engineering, marketing, etc jobs aren't going anywhere.

I guess you missed this. Intel announced in Feb this year that they are spending $7B in Arizona to build a chip fab: https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-corp-announces-7-billion-...

Wonderful, but its the state or Arizona taking the tax and regulatory hit to build that factory, which compliments the two existing ones Intel has. President Trump's credit for this deal is the usual meaningless ass-kissing presidents get, but ultimately its Arizona that made that happen the same way Arizona made the previous plants happen. Also this it to finish a factory thats been in the building stages during the Obama administration.

>In fact, the factory, which was originally announced back in 2011 and largely completed by 2014 was put on hold not because of regulatory burden, but because of declining PC sales

Being on the manufacturing council doesn't affect this nor did it make it happen. The council as a "jobs creator" is laughable especially when we're talking about an Obama-era factory.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/08/intel-arizona-factory-7-...

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Post by Qwertious »

wyldfire wrote: post #250
Dirlewanger wrote: post #144

It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

Protectionism is not an answer, it's never worked before and it won't work now.

You're not wrong, but your logic is flawed - things are happening now that have never happened before, like New Automation, that are massive game-changers. This means that things that have never worked before, will start working.

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Post by humanrebar »

jacquesm wrote: post #240
humanrebar wrote: post #193

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Good point. I knew he was unqualified well before. I forgot about the birth nonsense when I wrote that lost. I guess I upgraded him from fool to dangerous fool.

Now you're going to have to figure out how to position BLM versus the Neo Nazis. For me the one is a response to structural unequal treatment by law enforcement, the other is the vilest element in society seeking a platform and a way to spread their hateful ideology.

> Now you're going to have to figure out how to position BLM versus the Neo Nazis.

Do I? I just know people are outgrouping and arguing through violence and I'm opposed to that regardless or what policy changes they feel are appropriate.

I don't feel the need to judge that political violence is worse in one case than in another case.

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Post by philk10 »

stevenh wrote: post #272
philk10 wrote: post #253

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and then RT'd someone who's a good buddy with Richard Spencer. Actions speaking louder than words from a teleprompter

Who did he retweet?

Jack Posobiec - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by sitkack »

jancsika wrote: post #212
StevePerkins wrote: post #71

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> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…

> I was a member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation, one of the most liberal American sects. The sermon more or less boiled down to, "Meh, they had it coming". Who was the speaker of that sermon? I'd love to email them and get the real story, because that smells suspiciously like confirmation bias in your summary.

I think it was different bias where one paraphrased the past incorrectly, I do it all the time.

It was probably more along the lines of, "Making your bed and lying in it" or "When you poke the lion ten times, expect to get bit"

When someone trots out crimes of the left, it smells like "and you too!" that somehow the Right, which has the rule of force as their platform gets a pass with 1:100 ratios.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Qwertious wrote: post #284
wyldfire wrote: post #250

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Protectionism is not an answer, it's never worked before and it won't work now.

You're not wrong, but your logic is flawed - things are happening now that have never happened before, like New Automation, that are massive game-changers. This means that things that have never worked before, will start working.

But to be fair, there's no going back. Automation means we don't actually need people to do huge numbers of things. Those displaced people may never have a job again.

What got us here, won't get us where we're going. It's all going to have to be reexamined.

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Post by pinaceae »

andriesm wrote: post #178
throwawaywonk wrote: post #167

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The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

And this position conflates free speech with consequence free speech.

You have the right in the US to openly be a Nazi. I also have the right to call you a fucking Nazi for it. I am also free to remind you what the US did to Nazis in WW2 and in the Nürnberg trials. And I can remind you that anyone that thinks that the US did the wrong thing back then, well, is a Nazi enabler.

So, you see, if you join a club that calls for the extermination of whole races - you yourself should live with the consequences of that decision. Unlike being black, gay, etc being a Nazi is a choice. You choose to try to send women and children into gas chambers.

So FUCK Nazis. Punch em, hunt them, kill them. Just like ISIS and Al-Quaeda. Same forever alone squad of men who can't get any.

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