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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

There is no symmetry or balance in this. This is the fulfillment of the warnings that the alt right is a white supremacist movement, that Breitbart is their platform, and that Trump is their candidate. There is no countervailing "side" to that.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Let's not forget that Obama immediately used the Dallas shootings as an opportunity to aggrandize gun control at the same time. During his Paris release he also said: "We also know when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately, it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic, [...] In the days ahead, we will have to consider those realities as well. In the meantime, today, our focus is on the vic…

An attack on heavily armed police by one guy with an assault rifle is a pretty good time to talk about gun control. So are politicians just supposed to reply "That was horrible" and not look at the underlying causes or events that allowed it to happen?

You forgot to add "our hopes and prayers" to their shocked, shocked I tell you response to gun violence.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

>And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US. Chip fabs are already overseas and there's zero practical approaches to bring them here. President "Job Creator" can't bring these jobs here, period. Intel's various management, engineering, marketing, etc jobs aren't going anywhere.

I guess you missed this.

Intel announced in Feb this year that they are spending $7B in Arizona to build a chip fab:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-corp-announces-7-billion-...

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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I don't understand the claim that moderates have no voice in the United States. I'm not American, but have spent quite a lot of time in the country. From my point of view, most of the media is moderate left -- and they have a very loud voice indeed. The extreme left exists but has very little visibility compared to France, for example. (That is convenient for right-wing press like Breitbart, because it lets them pain…

> A few people like Senator Jeff Flake are a counterexample that shows what the American right could be... I think you're understating how much of the American right dislikes Trump. Actual conservatives supported Cruz and Rubio (both of whom have been very consistently critical of Trump's shenanigans). Ben Sasse and Rand Paul are also very vocal. In print, National Review, The Federalist, Commentary, and similar news…

What's the point of "disliking" Trump if they don't get rid of him?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…

> I was a member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation, one of the most liberal American sects. The sermon more or less boiled down to, "Meh, they had it coming". Who was the speaker of that sermon? I'd love to email them and get the real story, because that smells suspiciously like confirmation bias in your summary.

That would be a very weird email to get out of the blue.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major A…

I dunno if Thiel has sway or not, but I thought his short speech at the rnc was riveting and one of the most inspirational messages that really spoke to the time, and of course aimed to reposition the right as pro gay.

Something I've wondered about that speech: He said something like "who cares what bathroom people use", and got a cheer. In context it was reasonably obvious to me he was saying "economic issues are important, stop wasting your time on attacking minority groups". But it got a big cheer, and I wonder how many people in the audience were cheering for what I heard, and how many were cheering for the equally plausible interpretation that Democrats should stop worrying about which bathrooms people got to use, and just let the right wing do what it pleased.

I also wonder if it was intentionally ambigous. He could have said "Just let people use the bathrooms they want to" or similar if he wanted to be clear. Was he worried that would go down worse?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.

> Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote. This argument has never made any sense. White supremacists are concentrated in states that Republicans win by such large margins that victory is assured regardless of how the minority sporting swastika tattoos votes.

If this weekend has taught us anything it's that most white supremacists aren't rednecks from the deep south with swastika tattoos. A lot of the are perfectly normal looking, university educated young men living in nice suburbs all across the country.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

#248
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It is if the president is. I'm not saying our current one is, just that logically, if the president is, then it would be moderate to describe him as he is. Also, a comparison to them in the 1930s, say pre-Kristalnacht, is different and may have more relevance than a comparison to them in the mid-40s.

Fair enough. But calling the current president a Nazi is not moderate. Israel would not treat him the way they do if he was. A post-WW2 Nazi or similar party is impossible and unsustainable especially in the US and most EU countries. Erdogan is the closest leader in the world at this point.

He's not a Nazi, but he is a racist. The Birther movement was purely racist, as was his witch hunt against the Central Park Five.

And, guess who loves him? White supremacists in all forms. Do you think he did anything to garner their approval?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

Their kind of protesting is not my cup of tea. Protests can be done in civilised manner. Theirs, at least the ones that make the news, are not. Looking from afar, they're only hurting their cause. I mean.. if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases.

The library video with BLM harassing students was extremely embarrassing. Shit like that would get people arrested over there and nobody would look at them seriously ever after.

That may or may not be influenced by my northern-ish shy attitude.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

Protectionism is not an answer, it's never worked before and it won't work now.
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