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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by croon »

humanrebar wrote: post #185
croon wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At any rate, every study I've seen has confirmed that most media orgs at least lean left 1) Links to studies? 2) Having a leaning in op-eds doesn't mean a bias in facts reported. I'd assume if you have 0 bias there would be no point in lying about facts, but regardless of left-leaning or right-leaning organisations, the real issue is whether you present truth or not.

Here's one about campaign donations: http://time.com/money/4533729/hillary-clinton-journalist-cam... There are plenty more if you Google around. And they go back way before Trump was on the scene. I'd be interested to see studies that dispute these findings. I haven't seen any.

I did google around. And they only hits I found were specifically Trump critical media. I'm hard pressed to call that bias.

A fair reporting of Trump comes across in a very bad light. I guess that's unfortunate for him, but it's of his own making.

The real question is whether anything reported on him (or the right at large) are erroneous, as he has claimed hundreds of times ("lies" and "fake" specifically), because the very few times it has happened, it was publicly retracted, and most often people got fired for it. I think that's a marker for healthy news.

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Post by grasshopperpurp »

exo762 wrote: post #82
jacquesm wrote: post #61

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So, what's your position then regarding: - BLM - Antifa - the 'alt right' - the Neo Nazis / white supremacy groups

Pure cancer. All of them.

A group asking police not to kill them in such great numbers should be grouped with white supremacists? Do you really believe that?

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Post by zimpenfish »

humanrebar wrote: post #197
croon wrote: post #154

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> And I think you're ignoring a lot of things the left has been up to. The IRS scandal was a big deal, for example. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy > The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report, which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compare…

There are plenty other examples. I just picked one. The Damore and Eich cases. The professor at the University of Missouri. The assault of Charles Murray.

> The assault of Charles Murray.

Is there any concrete proof that it was "liberals" or "the left" who attacked Sanger and pushed the car? It's entirely possible it was but ...

(I'd hesitate to call it "assault of Charles Murray" from the news reports, mind.)

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/middlebury-en...

(Also Charles Murray is a reprehensible racist who should be denied any public platform for espousing his pseudoscientific bigoted bullshit.)

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Post by mantas »

yardie wrote: post #66
mantas wrote: post #43

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

> the left seem to have went full bananas... While the right seem to be business as usual. Clicks profile, and understands the statement. Sorry mate, but Eastern euro right is considered extreme compared to western euro right. To you this may seem business as usual.

My country didn't have extreme right party in government since after USSR. The most right party is a run-of-a-mill conservative party which in most cases would agree to US Democrats of 5 or 10 years ago. Anything right of that is marginalised forever and didn't even have a seat for over a decade. Yet several Western Euro countries had their extreme-ish right in government coalitions or nearly winning presidential elections.

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Post by enraged_camel »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #173
rjtavares wrote: post #150

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Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.

> Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote. This argument has never made any sense. White supremacists are concentrated in states that Republicans win by such large margins that victory is assured regardless of how the minority sporting swastika tattoos votes.

His Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, has strong ties to white supremacy, and back in 1986 was considered by both sides of the political aisle to be too racist to be a federal judge. Sessions has a record doing such wonderful things as suing voting rights activists for trying to register black voters[1], and joking that the worst thing about the KKK is their marijuana-smoking members.

So tell me: what kind of President would select a guy like this as his Attorney General?

[1]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/magazine/the-voter-fraud-...

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Post by hpcjoe »

andriesm wrote: post #178
throwawaywonk wrote: post #167

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The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

As someone whose family the nazi's took great pains to eradicate ... I'd like to come out strongly in favor of not suppressing their speech. If for no other reason, than idiots tend to self-identify, and I really don't want to have to start searching for whom the next group of idiots are that I need to worry about wanting to off me and my family.

This is a little hyperbolic. Though the rest is not.

I've seen this up close and personal, in business, in personal life. I regularly dealt with, had to work with such assholes in SV startups, VCs. I was taught by such assholes in primary/secondary school, undergrad and grad school, smiling as they spewed their vile invectives. I see comments on otherwise respectable news and information sites pop up with well worn and well known calumnies and blood libels, not to mention tired stereotypes which have no bearing on reality.

These are the things that the nazis (won't capitalize those bastards) say out loud, whilst the asswipes who may still think them keep close to their vest. If the nazis are gone, I have to worry about whom else harbors these particularly stupid views.

I want to know who I need to warn my offspring about. Telling sh!t-for-brains to keep their yaps shut because they are idiots, complicates my search algorithms.

So, no. Please don't have them shut up. Assholes tend to self-identify by opening their mouths. I want to know exactly who they are.

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Post by AnotXOR »

heartbreak wrote: post #214
AnotXOR wrote: post #202

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For those of us who don't follow his every twitter move, which tweet are you referring to?

He retweeted this last night: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/897107711434915842

That's racist? How is pointing out an ongoing bloodbath in Chicago, where most victims are not well-to-do fellow "white supremists", racist? To be fair you have to admit Trump has a lot more on his mind than just one white supremacist rally and he's been trying to get involved in Chicago's violence since before the election.

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Post by jacquesm »

frubar wrote: post #168
jacquesm wrote: post #78

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If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this. > Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.…

>To toss that all onto the same heap is disingenuous at best. I feel like what people who behave as you are miss is that it could just be ignorance. Ignorance can be cured but not with aggression. Did you see the story where a black man befriended a bunch of KKK and they all ended up leaving the organization at the end? He didn't get that result with righteous indignation even if he had every right to be righteously…

You'd be hard pressed to attribute any aggression to me.

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Post by rjtavares »

AnotXOR wrote: post #162
rjtavares wrote: post #150

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Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.

Proof?

White supremacists feel winked at, isn't that enough?

http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-spencer-says-trump-di...

Also, if you are not familiar with "white nationalism" or Richard Spencer, this interview should help: https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/a-frank-conversation-wit...

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Post by cpr »

otalp wrote: post #7

Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)

Trump did disavow the white supremacists.

Not fast enough for them?

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