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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by pyroinferno »

robin_reala wrote: post #96
emilsedgh wrote: post #59

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I personally dont't think Trump is a Nazi. But it seems he doesnt mind Nazi support and is not willing to piss them off if it costs him their vote.

He’s not a Nazi because he’s not a member of the National Socialist party, but is he a fascist? Umberto Eco’s definition from the mid 90s is worth reading, as most if not all of the characteristics can quite easily be applied to the Trump presidency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto...

>Disagreement Is Treason

Isn't that what the left is doing by trying to silence the alt-right right now? Now that I agree with the alt-right, honestly I despise them, but leftists who call the alt-right fascists and want to censor their views for being "Unamerican" really need to look in the mirror.

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Post by AnotXOR »

heartbreak wrote: post #187
AnotXOR wrote: post #162

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Proof?

Trump's Twitter retweet, literally last night. He retweeted a racist dogwhistle from an Alt Right personality hours after Trump supposedly condemned them.

For those of us who don't follow his every twitter move, which tweet are you referring to?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by croon »

humanrebar wrote: post #197
croon wrote: post #154

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> And I think you're ignoring a lot of things the left has been up to. The IRS scandal was a big deal, for example. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy > The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report, which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compare…

There are plenty other examples. I just picked one. The Damore and Eich cases. The professor at the University of Missouri. The assault of Charles Murray.

The Damore who denied interviews with internationally renowned news organisations to go on Youtube with alt-right crazy Stefan Molyneux?

The Damore who sourced real science in an effort to try to legitimize his own non-sequitor opinions in a memo?

The Damore who made a t-shirt comparing a company with snack bars, lego corners, project choice and hundreds of thousands of dollar salaries with communist forced labor camps?

I don't disagree with you on Eich. I think supporting prop 8 is abhorrent, but likewise was the online shaming campaign. I'd support anyone boycotting Mozilla if they chose too, and those who resigned when he was promoted to CEO, but he also wasn't fired, he resigned.

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Post by pjc50 »

fastball wrote: post #83
woofyman wrote: post #51

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>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

Yes. The idea that there are cops on safari hunting black people is a fundamentally absurd notion. When it is clear that the officer was involved in a "bad shoot", those officers are removed from duty and charged with murder/manslaughter. If you can point me to one that was not, I'd be very interested to learn more. However, it is often difficult to determine a bad shoot from a "good" one, which is the primary issue.…

> charged with murder/manslaughter

.. and then acquitted. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/white-tulsa-officer-is...

> the US' entire justice system to be racist against black people

I believe that's a key part of the BLM argument, yes.

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Post by FussyZeus »

andriesm wrote: post #178
throwawaywonk wrote: post #167

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The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

I used to believe that; but the attitude in America that it's free speech and everyone should have their say, while applicable to nearly anything, does have many exceptions.

The ideology that caused, directly and without ambiguity, the death of over 6 million people is not a position to be argued, it's not a viewpoint worthy of consideration. It's possibly the only one humans should just say "You know, this has nothing to offer us in any capacity and should be left to the dustbin of history" to.

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Post by pjc50 »

andriesm wrote: post #178
throwawaywonk wrote: post #167

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The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare. Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

> Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude?

He's just exercising his right to free speech.

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Post by matt4077 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123
mrbiber wrote: post #23

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This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

The difference is that the President, qua office, is the leader of the society that these white supremacists hail from. For islam, he is an outsider.

Obama's rational for his decision is widely known: That the criticism of an outsider, denouncing their culture as extremism and terrorism will, in the ears of even the most progressive, secular muslim, only be understood as an insult, and will therefore only lead to further the narrative of a "Clash of Civilisation" a la Fukuyama.

That statement can be argued with. But to feign ignorance can only be considered bad faith.

Note also that nobody is demanding any laws. What people are clamouring for are honesty, decency, and leadership.

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Post by heartbreak »

graycat wrote: post #169

I hate to get involved in politics here at HN, but maybe I can contribute a comment that really isn't politics but is business and news strategy ? First, I try to stay up on the news , that is, the facts about what has been happening. Well, there's a lot of news on the Internet, so I can get a lot of input on some version of what has been happening. At this point, to me, the news doesn't make any sense. The news does…

The black CEO of Merck resigned from the council when the President failed to denounce white supremacists in Charlottesville (blatantly so, watch the entire raw video through the bill signing). The CEO of Merck was then attacked on Twitter via the @realDonaldTrump account. Later, Under Armour and Intel CEOs both resigned from the council. Both white. Neither were attacked on Twitter.

Yesterday, the President went on TV again and gave a speech denouncing the KKK and white supremacists. The sincerity of the speech was called into question due to the late timing and his delivery. Yesterday evening, the @realDonaldTrump account retweeted an Alt Right leader's tweet about unreported violence in Chicago over the weekend. The tweet was, subjectively, a racist dog whistle that essentially translates to, "Sure a white supremacist killed a woman at our alt right rally on Saturday, but look at what black people did in Chicago!"

Explain to me how this is a self-fulfilling narrative? It has nothing to do with the news media and everything to do with the President himself on TV and Twitter.

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Post by pjc50 »

wildmusings wrote: post #33
mrbiber wrote: post #23

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This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

You're honestly putting too much stock in the media's narrative. Were you not watching the violence coming from left-wing protesters for the last couple of years? Such as Antifa and similar groups smashing towns and beating people with fists and shovels. It's a miracle the guy they were beating on the streets of Berkeley didn't die. Edit: and how about the Scalise shooting or the police officers killed at the hands o…

The right-wing violence runs a lot further than that, all the way back to the Civil War and the people who went to war to defend their "right" to violence against black people. There is a continuous line between that and today. The Charlottesville protests were centered on a statue: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-...

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

pjc50 wrote: post #186
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123

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Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

> encourage Republicans to pass another law against terrorism At the moment it's more a question of preventing them from passing laws legalising (certain kinds of) terrorism, in this case assaulting and murdering protestors with vehicles: https://thinkprogress.org/republican-lawmakers-in-6-states-a...

> Two Republican lawmakers in North Dakota started the trend in January when they introduced a bill that would protect motorists who hit pedestrians blocking traffic, as long as the consequences are unintentional.
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