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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Nothing productive is happening in these comments. Admin should intervene.

I think admins should intervene as a VERY LAST OPTION, and only delete truly obnoxious posts or distractimg flame wars.

If people are insulting or use foul language, sure, but if they express bad ideas, that is an opportunity to show what is wrong with it, and if you keep your tone respectful when responding it is less likely to devolve. Treat people with curtousy even if you think the ideas themselves don't deserve it. Goodwill goes a long way

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Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.

Proof?

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There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…

>When a muslim plows into a crowd it's a lone wolf and we should jump to conclusions

That is literally the opposite of the actual media narrative associated with Muslims, and is often held out as the difference in coverage between Muslim-related incidents and non-Muslim ones (for want of a better differentiator).

Muslim/brown/whatever attackers are always framed in terms of their religious affiliations, and white attackers are almost always described as "lone wolves".

It beggars belief that you are trying to present that switched, with a straight face.

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Are you enumerating list of CEO's who remain and list of those who have left to.. galvanize some sort of boycotting action? In that case, what about the elephant in the room who had a very considerable part in putting this dude in the white house -- Thiel?

I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major A…

From what I've seen of t_d, a lot of the people there were not openly anti-gay before the election.

There has been quite a bit of pruning since so I am not sure about now.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…

lol "both sides do it". face it, anime nazi gamers get beat up by not just jocks but also skinny vegans now

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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post #92

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Are you enumerating list of CEO's who remain and list of those who have left to.. galvanize some sort of boycotting action? In that case, what about the elephant in the room who had a very considerable part in putting this dude in the white house -- Thiel?

I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major A…

>Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major American urban centers was not being experienced by the rest of America.

He was rich enough to not get hurt for opening his mouth in a way that made it clear that on certain issues he takes the same side as people the majority in CA consider to be a bunch of hicks.

There's plenty of people in SV (or NYC, or DC for that matter) who come from less prosperous places. They'll just keep quit rather than let people know what their opinions are because that's how you get ahead when your opinions are not those of the majority.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Yes. The leftist thugs deserve criticism, and they should be prosecuted when they cause property damage or harm people. But they weren't the problem at Charlottesville. There, Nazis, the KKK and other White Supremacists marched to prove that their race was better than others. That deserves to be condemned in itself. They also ended up killing someone in what appears to be a deliberate act.

The nazis had the demonstration permit (not that one should be needed). BOTH sides were the problem, because BOTH sides were engaging in violence. That's exactly what Trump said. This country isn't a safe space; seems many want it like that.

The Nazis showed up with guns, shields, and clubs. Don't pretend like they weren't prepared for urban warfare.

Have you told your friends and family that you might be a white nationalist?

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> Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike…

If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this. > Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.…

>To toss that all onto the same heap is disingenuous at best.

I feel like what people who behave as you are miss is that it could just be ignorance. Ignorance can be cured but not with aggression. Did you see the story where a black man befriended a bunch of KKK and they all ended up leaving the organization at the end? He didn't get that result with righteous indignation even if he had every right to be righteously indignant.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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I hate to get involved in politics here at HN, but maybe I can contribute a comment that really isn't politics but is business and news strategy?

First, I try to stay up on the news, that is, the facts about what has been happening. Well, there's a lot of news on the Internet, so I can get a lot of input on some version of what has been happening.

At this point, to me, the news doesn't make any sense. The news doesn't look like it is trying to give me facts about what has been happening. Or, the collection of supposed facts are self-contradictory, don't add up. And the news looks like something other than facts about what is happening.

In particular, nearly all the supposed news looks like made-up, cooked-up, stirred-up, faked-up, gang-up, pile-on something other than facts about what is going on. Or the real fact about what is going on looks like the news has become some propaganda Goebbels style with "If you tell a lie often enough, then people will believe it.".

Or, maybe easier to swallow, it looks like the news is expert in high school in-group gossip where they fight with gossip. Then, with enough bad gossip about person A, lots of other persons, e.g., some person B, even if they don't believe the gossip don't want to fight all the people who do or pretend to believe the gossip so go along with the gossip, the mob, and also reject A. So, the gossip is not true but has much the same effect as if it were true. I'm guessing that the news is really good at such high school in-group gossip. In high school I was a math nerd and no good at gossip!

So, a question, then, is what the heck is going on in the news business, industry, etc.?

Guesses:

(1) The old news business is very short on revenue. Why? The Internet has cut off much of the revenue they got from (A) classified ads, (B) other ads, (C) revenue per copy on paper, (D) audience size. Also maybe significant is that maybe the local shopping mall stores no longer nearly as often run big ads in the newspapers because Amazon has such mall stores nearly out of business.

So, such news operations, really short on money, have gone to whatever shocking, astounding, content they could find to try to increase their audience. There they have moved up a step: The stories and headlines are not just shocking but are planned as part of a larger narrative that the media outlet hopes will catch on, like big gossip, and yield more stories over the horizon, where the narrative helps the credibility of each story and each story adds to the narrative. So, in simple terms, they cook up an issue, make it a narrative, pile-on, gang-up, and push it, over and over. The issue is just made up and not true, but all the news media sees the opportunity right away so just piles on, goes with the narrative, and hopes for revenue.

(2) Some of the advertisers and other people, companies, etc. are behind the scenes, have long been there, have big bucks, influence the content of the news, and cases of such influence go way back in the news business.

In particular, now some of the issues in the news are really efforts for some of the people with big bucks to try to get their way, and there is big money involved.

E.g., there was the recent Sharyl Attkisson remark that essentially everything in the news is put there, paid to be there, by someone out to influence your opinion.

(3) The election of 11/8/2016 was in many ways darned close. In particular, the election for POTUS was so close that one candidate won the popular vote by some and the other candidate won the vote in the Electoral College by some.

Well, for the news, take the Trump voters over here and the Hillary voters over there.

The media wants a big audience. Soooo, they can go for the Hillary voters. There are still lots of them out there who still like Hillary, Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, etc. The news can fire up the Hillery voters and get audience, eyeballs, and ad revenue. And there are claims that the news rooms were 90+% for Hillary anyway.

Then for the Trump voters, or just the Republicans, they are not uniform and tend to split. So, there are "never-Trump" Republicans. There's John McCain who seems to hate Trump going way back at least to an early Trump campaign speech in Phoenix that McCain quickly described as "firing up the crazies", and that spat has continued through the Iowa event a few days later to the present. And Paul Ryan, VP with Romney, is no Trump buddy. And Romney hates Trump. Soooo, the news can get more audience by playing on, playing up to parts of, the divisions of the Republicans.

And likely could find more such motivations for the news.

So, the news is no longer about giving me facts about what is going on.

And it looks like the news is no longer interested in facts at all and, instead, is in some attention getting but also very bitter, center ring, mud wrestling, gossip, cage match.

So, I've given up on nearly all the news -- their people are getting no attention, eyeballs, clicks, or ad revenue from me. I still want facts about what is happening. Well apparently for now the main fact is just that mud wrestling cage match.

So, the OP was about the CEO of Intel resigning. Why? Maybe he was influenced by the gossip; maybe be believes a lot of the gossip; maybe he just wants to keep himself and Intel away from the mud wrestling. My guess is the last, he just wants to stay the heck away from the mud wrestling and away from the gossip.

So, now we see, as in high school, that enough gossip can have a lot of influence with some actual, tangible results. Some people are really good at gossip and now are the center of a big gang-up and pile-on of news media business and maybe political, strategy. Curious.

My view is that the news people are throwing away their credibility, but my guess is that the news is so short on revenue that they no longer care about their credibility and want to go with the gossip. Maybe, apparently, they believe that if with enough gossip they can actually get Trump out of the White House, then they will get back their credibility -- that even with total BS gossip they can make their claims have the practical effects that might happen if the gossip were true.

IMHO, that self-fulfilling gossip strategy will flop: The media will shrink back to some Internet Web sites and YouTube video clips with only about 10% of the revenue they were long used to. Why? Well, really, the credibility of the news has long been a really bad and ugly joke. E.g., there's an old 1930s Andy Hardy movie, maybe still shown occasionally on TV, if we still have TV (do we?), where Andy is laughing at the credibility of newspapers -- the audience in the 1930s was fully prepared to laugh at the news. But going back to Thomas Jefferson, the credibility of the news was even worse, much worse, as in Jefferson's

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_spe...

with in part

"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knolege with the lies of the day."

So, apparently since Jefferson, the news has been, really, just dramatic fiction, light entertainment. Well, really, a lot of people know this. Too bad the CEO of Intel didn't and, instead, took the gossip seriously.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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post #128
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you enumerating list of CEO's who remain and list of those who have left to.. galvanize some sort of boycotting action? In that case, what about the elephant in the room who had a very considerable part in putting this dude in the white house -- Thiel?

I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major A…

I dunno if Thiel has sway or not, but I thought his short speech at the rnc was riveting and one of the most inspirational messages that really spoke to the time, and of course aimed to reposition the right as pro gay.
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