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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by woofyman »

mantas wrote: post #43
croon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, mostly just the right. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol... http://news.wgbh.org/2017/03/15/politics-government/major-ne...

Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

>BLM look ridiculous too

Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by humanrebar »

jacquesm wrote: post #16
bitL wrote: post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

> both left and right are full of extremist views Again?

If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point.

Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table. Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by w_t_payne »

lkbm wrote: post #27
pc86 wrote: post #14

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> payroll/labor arbitrage Or as it's known outside of academia, "business."

That's a much broader term. Being specific is very helpful in communication. If you just want to switch to a more easily understood term, "cheaper labor" seems like it would work.

Should businesses be mindless profit seeking machines, without care for the moral, social and environmental consequences of their actions? If the answer to this question is "no", then should they seek to benefit and protect particular communities constrained by national boundaries? Or should they seek to benefit and protect communities globally? None of these questions are easy. I do not have an answer, and can well understand those who answer "yes" to the first question out of fear of tackling the second ... but it is something that we developers will need to be increasingly aware of in the coming age of the DAO.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by w_t_payne »

jackmott wrote: post #24
pc86 wrote: post #14

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> payroll/labor arbitrage Or as it's known outside of academia, "business."

im not sure many of the disaffected youth turning into nazis have been in academia much

Which is why the crazies surround themselves with such a wall of ignorance and paranoia that they can no longer seem to distinguish academia, liberalism and islamic fundamentalism. The world must appear as such an undifferentiated wall of hostility and threat to them...

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Post by sjwright »

diryawish wrote: post #34
woofyman wrote: post #28

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Moderate Republicans have been driven out of the party. They're considered RINOS.

Trump was the most moderate Republican candidate.

Those were the days. Sadly, of the issues for which Candidate Trump was politically moderate, few have survived into his presidency. Actually, I can't think of any.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by jacquesm »

humanrebar wrote: post #52
jacquesm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> both left and right are full of extremist views Again?

If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table. Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy.

> If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point.

I'm sure it does. Now, who exactly is doing the polarizing here?

> Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points.

On the contrary, it is probably way too late. Now the question is how much damage will be done before the landslide is arrested. My sense of that: all bets are off.

> But then people are looking for political wins in the aftermath (resignations and shunning I guess?), so I don't see how that sort of thing is on the table.

Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control.

> Seems like uneven expectations about what decent people should do in the face of tragedy.

It depends on your definition of 'decent' how you read that.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by emilsedgh »

spodek wrote: post #45
diryawish wrote: post #36

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Calling the president a Nazi isn't a moderate position.

It is if the president is. I'm not saying our current one is, just that logically, if the president is, then it would be moderate to describe him as he is. Also, a comparison to them in the 1930s, say pre-Kristalnacht, is different and may have more relevance than a comparison to them in the mid-40s.

I personally dont't think Trump is a Nazi.

But it seems he doesnt mind Nazi support and is not willing to piss them off if it costs him their vote.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by croon »

williamgb wrote: post #49
croon wrote: post #29

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The right ran 200 yards further right. As much as I hate Reagan, that guy wouldn't recognize the current GOP. There are barely any moderate republicans left. The current GOP is defunding everything from the state department, EPA to education. Meanwhile the democrats (outside of Sanders who's a self-defined independent, and Warren) are afraid to even suggest universal healthcare because it would be too left-leaning. T…

OK, so the implication being that we need more democrats from the far-left, or a collective shift by existing members in that direction? Neither extremes of the spectrum have a particularly good track record, so you'll have to excuse my preference for moderation.

No, my point is that moderate SHOULD mean somewhere in the middle. But if the geometric middle is moved 100 yards right, then "moderate" loses its meaning.

The "left" is moderate, the current right is something else.

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