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Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by arca_vorago »

cm2187 wrote: post #57
arca_vorago wrote: post #55

Microsoft had been testing my patience for a while, but Windows 10 was the straw that broke the camels back. I no longer support or use Windows and am a happier/healthier person for it. Ya'll should try it too! Microsoft is not a good faith actor in the software world, at all. All the "open-source" push they have been doing of late to stem the tide reeks of the 90's... and what frustates me the most is people are so…

I wish I could do the same but I don't have the time to relearn everything from scratch. Did you use any specific resources in transitioning from windows to linux?

I would say you just have to spend some time in linux. For example, get a $5-$10 vps from Vultr or Digital Ocean, and start hosting things and experimenting. Or start trying out different distros in a vm like virtualbox.

As a matter of fact, one of the best things I did was distrohop like a madman. It forces you to learn the intracacies of various distros. I also try hard to spend time in whichever distro I'm supporting at the moment. For example, if I'm supporting a mostly debian environment, I would prefer to be running Debian-derivitave as my daily, or at least have a VM of it I'm working in daily. The same for Suse, CentOS, etc.

I used to make new guys install arch, because it taught them the underside of linux without being quite as bad as gentoo/slack.

Document your knowledge as it progresses. Take notes. Compare commands in Windows you are used to and find the equivs.

I actually plan to eventually release some of my own documentation (I use emacs org-mode/asciidoc), but its one of many projects.

In the end, I don't think looking at it as relearning from scratch is correct. You already have the basics down, you just need to shift that knowledge and expand it. For example, I'm sure from Windows you know the difference between Fat16/32 and NTFS. Maybe about FDE with bitlocker. So with Linux, check out ext4, btrfs, zfs. FDE with dmcrypt/luks or aes-loop. You know the folder structure of Windows... so learn the linux layout: http://www.gocit.vn/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Linux-file-sy...

One thing I think helped the most was making comparison spreadsheets. I need something that solves X problem. Learning how to choose the software thats best for you is the primary skill I think that makes someone better, because you have to think about the reasoning for your choices. For example, licensing is important to me, so I would always have a column for license info. Unlike windows, there are many more tools to solve problems so you have to get good at this or you can be crippled by indecision.

Probably the single most helpful resource is the arch linux wiki. https://wiki.archlinux.org/

Also, IRC is still happening for the FOSS community, despite all the proprietary fad chat like slack, discord, etc.

I also think it's very important for you to understand the history of computing and OS's. If you know how Linux, Unix, Minix, BSD, DOS, Windows all came about and how they relate, you have a stronger basis to expand on.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by 4ad »

nailer wrote: post #86
4ad wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LTSB actually comes with the settings app, though I don't want to use the settings app anyway. For the record, I am using LTSB, I just wish there was an easier way of getting it.

I thought you said 'no metro'? Doesn't that mean Windows 7 UI?

It comes with all the libraries just as regular Windows versions do, e.g. metro libraries are included. If you are so inclined you could even provision Windows Store on it (caveats apply).

But doesn't come with metro programs, with the exception of the settings app. E.g. the photo viewer is the one from Windows 7, not the Metro one. No Windows Store (unless you go out of your way to install it, etc).

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by HelloNurse »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #75
FussyZeus wrote: post #61

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...which is kind of why people are upset. Things that were possible, i.e. total control over when PC's install updates and how they do them, are now not unless you pony up for a more expensive license. We're not talking Bitlocker or anything here, we're talking control over the system. I agree it's not a typical use case, but it was an understood use case for a very long time. My only real beef with Windows 10 is the…

I understand and agree that it's bullshit. But for normal end users it works fine. And part of me does think that I prefer the majority of the clueless end users to be forced to update. Having to support outdated operating systems and browsers is pretty horrible. And making it harder for botnets to spread is also a pretty good thing. But yes, there should just be a simple setting. Sadly there isn't so we're left to r…

But realistically the clueless "normal" end users who should update automatically don't know about group policies and aren't going to use them, not even by mistake.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by cm2187 »

4ad wrote: post #89
cm2187 wrote: post #79

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Which tier are you refering to? I thought VS Pro was the cheapest option.

Ah, it's cloud subscription vs standard subscription . This is the proper link: https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/pricing/ So it's $539/yr for cloud vs. $1,199/1st yr + $799/2nd yr for standard. Also on the same page we can see the differences: > After the subscription expires, can use the software that was available during the active subscription term (“perpetual” use rights) For standard it's YES, for cloud it's NO.…

In your link the "Software for dev/test" is blank for cloud subscriptions. It comes with TFS licenses but I do not believe it comes with Windows licenses, even for the period of the subscription.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by frik »

mdek wrote: post #24

Will this address the absurd automatic updates/reboot "feature"? I've had the experience multiple times where a step away for a few minutes and come back to a blank desktop, even during the "active hours" period. This is especially infuriating when I do most of my work in a vbox slackware VM and win10 is just a host that I want to stay out of the way; instead I lose my entire current state. This seems like a major de…

Downgrade to the better Win7, or use Linux as host and Win in a VM.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by arca_vorago »

darrmit wrote: post #80
arca_vorago wrote: post #55

Microsoft had been testing my patience for a while, but Windows 10 was the straw that broke the camels back. I no longer support or use Windows and am a happier/healthier person for it. Ya'll should try it too! Microsoft is not a good faith actor in the software world, at all. All the "open-source" push they have been doing of late to stem the tide reeks of the 90's... and what frustates me the most is people are so…

You can't just "replace AD servers with Samba4". It doesn't even begin to provide the same usability and feature set. I love the idea. It's just not viable.

Yes, you can, depending on the environment. I've done it in prod multiple times. There are a handful of features that aren't 1to1, but they can be worked around in other ways. In most cases, the people I've seen say this either tried Samba pre v4, or had more complicated setups where it may not apply (for example, cross-forest trusts just recently were prod ready in 4.5.1+), or usually just didn't know their way around linux as much.

Is it a replacement for all situations? No. For many though? Yes. Of course there are other options as well, such as FreeIPA, etc.

Samba roadmap: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Roadmap

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by cm2187 »

arca_vorago wrote: post #91
cm2187 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could do the same but I don't have the time to relearn everything from scratch. Did you use any specific resources in transitioning from windows to linux?

I would say you just have to spend some time in linux. For example, get a $5-$10 vps from Vultr or Digital Ocean, and start hosting things and experimenting. Or start trying out different distros in a vm like virtualbox. As a matter of fact, one of the best things I did was distrohop like a madman. It forces you to learn the intracacies of various distros. I also try hard to spend time in whichever distro I'm support…

Getting hold of a linux machine is the easy part, between VMs and all the hardware I have, that's not a problem. Learning how to use the OS is the hard part. I did try previously but my attempts were frustrated by the lack of UI (self-discoverability) and the variety of alternative tools to solve the same problem, which also means the documentation is very fragmented. The breadth of acronyms doesn't help either.

I am sure it is just stuff to learn, and I have the feeling I will need to force myself to go all-in if I ever want to do the jump (rather than having a linux laptop on the side I never use). What I wonder is if soneone who has done it before knows of good resources to help with the process.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by frik »

have_faith wrote: post #69
arca_vorago wrote: post #55

Microsoft had been testing my patience for a while, but Windows 10 was the straw that broke the camels back. I no longer support or use Windows and am a happier/healthier person for it. Ya'll should try it too! Microsoft is not a good faith actor in the software world, at all. All the "open-source" push they have been doing of late to stem the tide reeks of the 90's... and what frustates me the most is people are so…

I literally only have windows for games now. The OS is pushing my patience to the point where I'm considering giving up half my steam library and sticking to MacOS / Linux. A couple nights ago my PC woke up in the middle of the night and started an update. I had to get up and force shut it down. I don't think there's anything Microsoft can do to reverse the damage now.

I bought a PlayStation 4 and couldn't be happier, and I keep Win7 around for old games.

The "new Microsoft" sucks big time, and they drive the company against the wall - Win10/WinPhone10/Xbone crash.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by hungerstrike »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #53
pidg wrote: post #48

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Problem: I do not like that the computer reboots automatically. Solution: Reboot computer manually.

It's simple fact that Windows needs to reboot to install updates. Does it suck? Yes! Is it a necessary part of life if you choose to use Windows? Also yes. People seem to complain about Windows rebooting outside of their control. This fixes that problem, and it's not like most people need their computer to be on when they're asleep anyway.

It's also a part of life on my Macs, just not as often since it seems like they don't get updates as often as my Windows machines.
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