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Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by FussyZeus »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #45
silly_giraffe wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for us crazy individuals that need the computer on for uninterrupted data processing. I have Windows only software that can take two weeks to complete a dataset. There is no intermediate data backup, so if the job is killed, I have to start over. My only reliable option has been to keep it off the network.

You're not a regular end user. The Microsoft way is for you to get the more expensive license so you can use group policies to adjust this behavior.

...which is kind of why people are upset. Things that were possible, i.e. total control over when PC's install updates and how they do them, are now not unless you pony up for a more expensive license. We're not talking Bitlocker or anything here, we're talking control over the system.

I agree it's not a typical use case, but it was an understood use case for a very long time. My only real beef with Windows 10 is the overly aggressive update system.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by nailer »

4ad wrote: post #31

I don't need this. What I need is a legal way to acquire Windows 10 Long Term Support Branch. Basically Windows 10 without all the crap. No metro, and no feature updates whatsoever, just security updates, and supported for 10 years. Sort of like a Windows version of RHEL, if you will. Now that is something that I want. To play a numbers game, I'd pay $500 for that if it came with HyperV and the possibility of creatin…

If there was no current UI, you wouldn't have the Settings app. Sure you want Control Panel back?

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by FussyZeus »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #53
pidg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem: I do not like that the computer reboots automatically. Solution: Reboot computer manually.

It's simple fact that Windows needs to reboot to install updates. Does it suck? Yes! Is it a necessary part of life if you choose to use Windows? Also yes. People seem to complain about Windows rebooting outside of their control. This fixes that problem, and it's not like most people need their computer to be on when they're asleep anyway.

I get around this by having my machine back up to our NAS each night and shutting down when finished. Cuts down on the power bill too.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by tgtweak »

silly_giraffe wrote: post #38
tokenizerrr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rebooting your computer daily will do the trick. Either shut it down at the end of the day, or give it a reboot. It will do its thing and leave you alone for the next 24 hours. Before you downvote me, which many of you have done already for some reason, please keep in mind that this advice actually works. It's not my decision to have things work like this. That's on Microsoft. But it does work, and is legitimate advi…

Except for us crazy individuals that need the computer on for uninterrupted data processing. I have Windows only software that can take two weeks to complete a dataset. There is no intermediate data backup, so if the job is killed, I have to start over. My only reliable option has been to keep it off the network.

I have deactivated the auto update restart logic by gpo policy (locally) and just hit escape on the update summary when it's done downloading.

Now they just blue screen it every month and it does the update when you're forced to restart it.

Really pathetic considering I had windows 8.1 pro on it before with 3+ months uptime and no need to restart beyond 3rd party software requiring it or drivers/hardware.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by [deleted] »

silly_giraffe wrote: post #38
tokenizerrr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rebooting your computer daily will do the trick. Either shut it down at the end of the day, or give it a reboot. It will do its thing and leave you alone for the next 24 hours. Before you downvote me, which many of you have done already for some reason, please keep in mind that this advice actually works. It's not my decision to have things work like this. That's on Microsoft. But it does work, and is legitimate advi…

Except for us crazy individuals that need the computer on for uninterrupted data processing. I have Windows only software that can take two weeks to complete a dataset. There is no intermediate data backup, so if the job is killed, I have to start over. My only reliable option has been to keep it off the network.

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Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by cm2187 »

4ad wrote: post #58
cm2187 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are getting close to a MSDN license https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/visual-studio-profes...

Well $539/yr is not quite the same as $500 for life. Plus, MSDN software should only be used for development, using it e.g. as a workstation would technically be a violation, albeit one that is unenforceable. And yes, I am aware that if you install it in the first year, it will continue to work long after your MSDN license has expired. My interest is not in "getting it", or "keeping it working", but rather doing ever…

Nah you don't need to renew it. You pay $1200 upfront and it comes with a bunch of license keys, each allowing multiple activations, that you get to keep even if you do not renew the subscription. Renewal is only if you want a key for future versions of windows (Windows 11?), which there won't be according to Microsoft. The catch is that the license prevents you from using it as a main/production machine, it's for dev, testing and demo only.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by 4ad »

nailer wrote: post #62
4ad wrote: post #31

I don't need this. What I need is a legal way to acquire Windows 10 Long Term Support Branch. Basically Windows 10 without all the crap. No metro, and no feature updates whatsoever, just security updates, and supported for 10 years. Sort of like a Windows version of RHEL, if you will. Now that is something that I want. To play a numbers game, I'd pay $500 for that if it came with HyperV and the possibility of creatin…

If there was no current UI, you wouldn't have the Settings app. Sure you want Control Panel back?

LTSB actually comes with the settings app, though I don't want to use the settings app anyway. For the record, I am using LTSB, I just wish there was an easier way of getting it.

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by rbanffy »

silly_giraffe wrote: post #38
tokenizerrr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rebooting your computer daily will do the trick. Either shut it down at the end of the day, or give it a reboot. It will do its thing and leave you alone for the next 24 hours. Before you downvote me, which many of you have done already for some reason, please keep in mind that this advice actually works. It's not my decision to have things work like this. That's on Microsoft. But it does work, and is legitimate advi…

Except for us crazy individuals that need the computer on for uninterrupted data processing. I have Windows only software that can take two weeks to complete a dataset. There is no intermediate data backup, so if the job is killed, I have to start over. My only reliable option has been to keep it off the network.

> I have Windows only software that can take two weeks to complete a dataset

What kind of sadistic monster wrote this?

Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Pro for Workstations

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Post by have_faith »

arca_vorago wrote: post #55

Microsoft had been testing my patience for a while, but Windows 10 was the straw that broke the camels back. I no longer support or use Windows and am a happier/healthier person for it. Ya'll should try it too! Microsoft is not a good faith actor in the software world, at all. All the "open-source" push they have been doing of late to stem the tide reeks of the 90's... and what frustates me the most is people are so…

I literally only have windows for games now. The OS is pushing my patience to the point where I'm considering giving up half my steam library and sticking to MacOS / Linux.

A couple nights ago my PC woke up in the middle of the night and started an update. I had to get up and force shut it down. I don't think there's anything Microsoft can do to reverse the damage now.

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