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Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Can you speak to how you initially made the move and got clients, and how you get them now?

My question exactly. I would think there are millions of opportunities like this out there, but my gut feel is that any company that has any sort of a budget for a project would already have some sort of an IT department who would very carefully protect their "environment" (read: jobs) from any sort of an external entity who would introduce efficiency. This may seem like a conspiracy theory to some, but it is extreme…

You call it inefficiency and incompetence, I call it chaos. And where there's chaos, there's money to be made.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Can you speak to how you initially made the move and got clients, and how you get them now?

My question exactly. I would think there are millions of opportunities like this out there, but my gut feel is that any company that has any sort of a budget for a project would already have some sort of an IT department who would very carefully protect their "environment" (read: jobs) from any sort of an external entity who would introduce efficiency. This may seem like a conspiracy theory to some, but it is extreme…

Yes, this is true but it depends how you approach the problem.

There are a lot of medium to large retail companies looking to front the cash for startups willing to "move fast and break things". The catch is that they will disown you when you break something.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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I felt like that a few years ago. I didnt end up leaving my career, what i did instead was use my skills in a different way. Instead of being a web developer, i became a business consultant. Like you i didnt care about the latest fashion in the space and in general my interest was no longer in programming, however, 60%-80% of my time today is still writing code, but i'm much happier. What i do now is i work with non-…

Ok since in less than an hour i've had a few comments and 1 email asking about this, i'll reply here. So the headlines are: Be as boring as possible, Networking, Focusing on the outcome, rather than the product and start studying business instead of tech. Be as boring as possible Tech to tech guy is sexy, i avoid the sexy, because thats where all the other techys are, you know where they're not, boring businesses. Wh…

I chuckled at the bit about a bluetooth connected salt-shaker because I thought it was a joke, after watching the video part of me still really wants to believe it's some sort of weird joke.

Thank you for the elaboration in your comment above, very useful in my journey as software focused consultant!

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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> I am no longer excited about new frameworks, etc To me this is rather a sign of common sense than a lack of interest in programming. You could try moving to a company that has its own product - these often have interacting with customers or other companies listed as one of the responsibilities. EDIT: paragraphs.

> I am no longer excited about new frameworks, etc

To me it is a sign that someone is finally becoming a senior (sane) developer.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Sorry for the wall of text, i could talk for hours on the subject. We are all sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting for you to launch your blog.

Trouble is I can never write proactively, only retroactively to stuff like this on HN or Reddit.

You can copy and maybe extend your texts from HN and Reddit and post them to your blog.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Any chance you could move this conversation over to https://www.indiehackers.com/ and maybe do an interview with the folks over there? You sound...like someone I'd like to hear a lot more from.

I doubt i'm a candidate for indie hackers, i dont have a product, i offer a service. But i'm happy to answer questions.

You'd still make for a great interview.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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> I am no longer excited about new frameworks, etc To me this is rather a sign of common sense than a lack of interest in programming. You could try moving to a company that has its own product - these often have interacting with customers or other companies listed as one of the responsibilities. EDIT: paragraphs.

What is your opinion on companies that interview with requiring rote knowledge on frameworks, or even put it on the job titles (eg. Senior Django developer)?

My city is full of these and there is the disconnect online I get from interview prep guides on algorithms, but none of that benefits me in the local companies I apply for.

A lot of these companies flat out ignore me, despite that I know OOP development well enough for a couple of years.

So much revolves around taking in new tools and frameworks that it's become fashion. That's a big reason why I want to head out of web dev too.

Along with that, it seems like most web dev jobs just are hooking up API endpoints for applications that don't get a lot of traffic, so there are no interesting speed/performance problems to solve.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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> I am no longer excited about new frameworks, etc To me this is rather a sign of common sense than a lack of interest in programming. You could try moving to a company that has its own product - these often have interacting with customers or other companies listed as one of the responsibilities. EDIT: paragraphs.

What is your opinion on companies that interview with requiring rote knowledge on frameworks, or even put it on the job titles (eg. Senior Django developer)? My city is full of these and there is the disconnect online I get from interview prep guides on algorithms, but none of that benefits me in the local companies I apply for. A lot of these companies flat out ignore me, despite that I know OOP development well eno…

> What is your opinion on companies that interview with requiring rote knowledge on frameworks, or even put it on the job titles (eg. Senior Django developer)?

I know why they're doing this and IMHO it's a dead end. Among companies with tight budgets(I worked for a few of those) there's a notion that you'll get more value out of someone who already knows the required framework so you should focus on that in the recruiting process. That may be true for small, short-lived projects(3 months max.), but what matters the most in the larger, longer ones is something, that can only be expressed as the ability to program.

Basically it's a sign that this company is mainly occupied with doing the grunt work for larger companies. A job like that sure, pays your bills, but is also soul-crushingly boring.

> Along with that, it seems like most web dev jobs just are hooking up API endpoints for applications that don't get a lot of traffic, so there are no interesting speed/performance problems to solve.

Well, this is web development for you. Hell, most of the time this is software engineering for you.

But there's a way out of this: Like I said before - a company with its own product that does something fundamental(like e.g. a framework). I spent two years in such a company and I can tell you this - I only dealt with interesting problems there.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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How did you end up working in an ML research lab? What's the story here? What's your background etc.

That's a very long story... But here's the essence. I got a degree totally unrelated to CS. (Think "arts". Decent school. Top 50. But not prestigious.) Bounced around at not-great jobs for awhile, living in NYC and barely making ends meet. Then I managed to get a job at an online media startup (essentially a management role), which was a very lucky break. That got me into software, and I was able to use that experien…

inspiring story. thank you. i have a technical BA but have done similar hopping around new york etc. since then and have been self-teaching cs trying to figure out a path that will work for me. how did you jump into a management/product? did you read up on those skills or are you a good at selling yourself? how did you make the decision to go back to school? i'm most interested in how you were able to commit to giving up art.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Ever considered working in France at a startup? We're always looking to international talent and since you're young, why not try something new in another country? We're a startup that's created a battery-less connected indoor location system and always looking to recruit IT talent.

Let me know, email: career@uwinloc.com

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