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Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Ok since in less than an hour i've had a few comments and 1 email asking about this, i'll reply here. So the headlines are: Be as boring as possible, Networking, Focusing on the outcome, rather than the product and start studying business instead of tech. Be as boring as possible Tech to tech guy is sexy, i avoid the sexy, because thats where all the other techys are, you know where they're not, boring businesses. Wh…

Sorry for the wall of text, i could talk for hours on the subject. We are all sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting for you to launch your blog.

Trouble is I can never write proactively, only retroactively to stuff like this on HN or Reddit.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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Can you speak to how you initially made the move and got clients, and how you get them now?

My question exactly. I would think there are millions of opportunities like this out there, but my gut feel is that any company that has any sort of a budget for a project would already have some sort of an IT department who would very carefully protect their "environment" (read: jobs) from any sort of an external entity who would introduce efficiency. This may seem like a conspiracy theory to some, but it is extreme…

Something about attribution, malice and stupidity...

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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(ML looks like magic to me and involves lots of math, which I suck at).

Math is taught pretty badly in most American public schools from K-12. Many people have terrible math experiences in elementary school, in part because the U.S. actively encourages women to go into early childhood education if they can't cut it in other fields (a thing not done to men). So, there are a lot of women who are basically math-phobic who are teaching it to our K-6 kids and the primary thing they teach a lot of kids is that math is scary stuff and you should hate it. It's really terrible.

I pulled my two sons out of public school at the same time. At the time, my oldest was in sixth grade, and he hated math and had terrible, terrible baggage about it. My ONLY goal for him for math while homeschooling him was to teach him "math is your friend" and that was it. I didn't care if he actually learned any math. I just wanted him to stop having fear and loathing of math. He now sometimes does stuff like reads illustrated calculus books (which are over my head -- I dropped out of calculus in college, due to having had a year long math gap... it's a long story) when he runs out of other things to read at the library and is bored.

If you want some pointers on how to get over your fear of math and how to learn math comfortably, I and no doubt lots of other people here can give you some pointers. Because there are people here who think math is cool and fun and managed to get through the school system without becoming math-phobic, in spite of how hard the school system actively tries to make most of us math-phobic.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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I felt like that a few years ago. I didnt end up leaving my career, what i did instead was use my skills in a different way. Instead of being a web developer, i became a business consultant. Like you i didnt care about the latest fashion in the space and in general my interest was no longer in programming, however, 60%-80% of my time today is still writing code, but i'm much happier. What i do now is i work with non-…

Ok since in less than an hour i've had a few comments and 1 email asking about this, i'll reply here. So the headlines are: Be as boring as possible, Networking, Focusing on the outcome, rather than the product and start studying business instead of tech. Be as boring as possible Tech to tech guy is sexy, i avoid the sexy, because thats where all the other techys are, you know where they're not, boring businesses. Wh…

Any chance you could move this conversation over to https://www.indiehackers.com/ and maybe do an interview with the folks over there? You sound...like someone I'd like to hear a lot more from.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the wall of text, i could talk for hours on the subject. We are all sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting for you to launch your blog.

Trouble is I can never write proactively, only retroactively to stuff like this on HN or Reddit.

I have probably two dozen blogs and initially wrestled with the same thing. If you want to blog, I would be happy to help you find a process that works for you.

I am sure you could find an audience. You sound like a rich source of much-needed wisdom on the subject of small business of a sort that would be highly relevant to lots of people on HN.

Edit: It is also fine to interpret my first remark to mean "No apologies needed re the length. Lots of people here would be happy to read more." I mean, you aren't obligated to start a blog because a random internet stranger flippantly suggested it, but I have the bad habit of taking objections literally when people really mean "I don't actually want to do that" but they don't actually say that, they say "I would, but (reason)" and then I'm all "That's totally solvable!" because I am compulsively helpful.

I shall stop digging my grave deeper now. kaythxbai

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok since in less than an hour i've had a few comments and 1 email asking about this, i'll reply here. So the headlines are: Be as boring as possible, Networking, Focusing on the outcome, rather than the product and start studying business instead of tech. Be as boring as possible Tech to tech guy is sexy, i avoid the sexy, because thats where all the other techys are, you know where they're not, boring businesses. Wh…

Any chance you could move this conversation over to https://www.indiehackers.com/ and maybe do an interview with the folks over there? You sound...like someone I'd like to hear a lot more from.

I doubt i'm a candidate for indie hackers, i dont have a product, i offer a service. But i'm happy to answer questions.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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I was a web developer for a few years out of college, but I eventually realized I got much more pleasure out of helping my colleagues solve challenges in their own work (obscure bugs or browser compatibility issues) than building my own assigned pages and apps. I transitioned to technical product/developer support engineering which I've now done at two companies for a combined six years or so, and it's been great. Th…

I know this is a little direct, but how's the pay compare to your old jobs and to your colleagues in dev?

My pay increased when I transitioned from web dev at one company to product support at another - but to be fair, the first company was in Dallas and the second was in Palo Alto.

I haven't done a lot of comparison or asking my coworkers how much they make, but the information I do have suggests that while developers are commonly paid more on average, if you're at a company that actually values product support (often because it's recognized as an important contributor to customer retention) this difference can easily be dominated by other differences such as willingness to negotiate. Support teams are also usually smaller so it can be easier to demonstrate how much value you, personally, are adding.

But again, this assumes the company actually cares about support. There are definitely places that treat it as a revolving door position and won't pay much.

It's also worth noting that from what I've seen, companies are much more willing to have distributed support teams than dev teams, due to the value of having support availability in multiple timezones. I actually telecommute four days a week in my current role.

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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I felt like that a few years ago. I didnt end up leaving my career, what i did instead was use my skills in a different way. Instead of being a web developer, i became a business consultant. Like you i didnt care about the latest fashion in the space and in general my interest was no longer in programming, however, 60%-80% of my time today is still writing code, but i'm much happier. What i do now is i work with non-…

How did you find that example gig? Like , would one just walk into every distillery they can find and ask the cashier / manager about their software they are using ?

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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While I have not yet changed careers, I have thought about it a lot. If or when I do, here is how I will likely go about it.

First save money and change lifestyle to handle the pay change. Coding pays more than many careers, and you might want or need to move to an industry that you have little experience.

Next, be open to moving. There are other places outside of the big cities that can often be open to people from different backgrounds as they don't have all the big city fun.

What do you like or have experience in. Making a slight shift is a lot easier than a large one. Perhaps you coded something for a newspaper, that will make it easier to get a job doing something else for a newspaper. This might mean doing a double jump. Get a job coding for the industry you want to be in, then move toward your desired career in that industry.

Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: Web developer and looking for a career change, what are my options?

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You’re facing the exact problem I am right now in my life. I am 21, and work in the same Technologies you do. I founded a company in web services a year ago ( http://Bigdrop.io ) which is pretty much self sustainable today. I don’t find a lot of interest in the domain any more and tire of new projects easily. I however realised that my true passion lies with creativity, and it isn’t limited to the web or to programmi…

Congratulations on actually having a profitable product, and thanks for the help, I'll definitely drop you a line soon.
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