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davidreiss wrote: post #78
aaomidi wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this apply to other countries where women are higher in STEM and tech than men? For example, in Iran more than 60% of STEM students are female.

> How does this apply to other countries where women are higher in STEM and tech than men? For example, in Iran more than 60% of STEM students are female. That's because in iran, the government sets the "standards for women's and men's study". Women are FORCED to take these classes. Also, iranian women outnumber men in STEM within iran because iranian families with money send their male children overseas to study. Th…

Women are forced to take STEM? What the fuck kind of statement is that?

The number of Iranians in Iran vastly outnumber the ones studying outside of Iran. Especially in undergrad.

Please give me sources that Iranian women are forced to study STEM.

My source is I've lived in Iran nearly most of my life.

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Post by 0x445442 »

throwerway wrote: post #34

Because evolutionary biology is fundamentally at odds with the core tenets of Feminism. Feminism is founded on the idea that males and females are equal. Biological research over the past 30 years; specifically from the fields of genetics, behavioral ecology, and evolutionary biology; directly contradicts this premise. Evolutionary biology research tells us there are sex differences in human males and females during…

Beautiful summation. The pretzel logic these folks are engaging in is quite hilarious. I don't know if the term's been widely used but I call them Gender Deniers.

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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Post by 0x445442 »

bobdole1234 wrote: post #38
throwerway wrote: post #34

Because evolutionary biology is fundamentally at odds with the core tenets of Feminism. Feminism is founded on the idea that males and females are equal. Biological research over the past 30 years; specifically from the fields of genetics, behavioral ecology, and evolutionary biology; directly contradicts this premise. Evolutionary biology research tells us there are sex differences in human males and females during…

So, you're telling me there is a feminist conspiracy against science?

No, just intellectual dishonesty to support preconceived notions. To be fair, this is not behavior unique to the feminist group.

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Post by throwerway »

Thank you. It's something that I think needs to be said.

One thing, about your point on 'gender deniers', I would try to avoid using the term 'gender'. It's a term perpetuated by the left to avoid direct conversation about biological sex. There has been a concerted effort to separate the concept of gender and sex through justification by the social sciences. This phenomena is not new, historically the social sciences have always been used to justify the predominant ideology of the time.

Gender is considered a 'social construct' under the theory of social constructionism, a philosophical theory not based on statistical evidence. Once you start debating about what is 'Gender', you've already fallen into their trap. I would use the term 'biology deniers' because it avoids people from making roundabout arguments on what is gender.

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Post by caminante »

gdulli wrote: post #30
rtpg wrote: post #28

For those who discuss this as "being fired for wrongthink": Companies fire people for lack of cultural fit. How is this any different?

If I brought my employer bad press or just made myself enough of a bother with complaints about their tabs vs. spaces dictate I could be fired.

Bad press and complaints aren't sufficient conditions for legal firing.

e.g. Employee reports OSHA violation. Company gets bad press for workplace conditions. Company can't fire employee for reporting unsafe work conditions.

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Post by wst_ »

aaomidi wrote: post #68
davidreiss wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They fired him for making women and minorities at google feel unwelcome due to their gender and ethnicity respectively. What did he say that made women feel unwelcome? What did he say about minorities?

Automatically assuming that women are there because the standards were lowered for them. Indicating that when he's working with a female co-worker, he thinks they shouldn't be there and the only reason they're there is because of "reverse discrimination". He spoke about affirmative action as well, but most of his arguments were against women.

Now, I haven't got opportunity to read his note. Did he really said that? Or people just assumed?

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throwerway wrote: post #84

Thank you. It's something that I think needs to be said. One thing, about your point on 'gender deniers', I would try to avoid using the term 'gender'. It's a term perpetuated by the left to avoid direct conversation about biological sex. There has been a concerted effort to separate the concept of gender and sex through justification by the social sciences. This phenomena is not new, historically the social sciences…

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throwerway wrote: post #84

Thank you. It's something that I think needs to be said. One thing, about your point on 'gender deniers', I would try to avoid using the term 'gender'. It's a term perpetuated by the left to avoid direct conversation about biological sex. There has been a concerted effort to separate the concept of gender and sex through justification by the social sciences. This phenomena is not new, historically the social sciences…

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Post by dang »

throwerway wrote: post #46

> Men and woman ARE equal. I used to believe so, until I discovered there were thousands of studies suggesting that statistically, men and women aren't equal. Each one of these points is backed up by dozens of statistical studies. Are there statistical differences between males and females in height? Yes Are there statistical differences between males and females in athletic ability? Yes Are there statistical differe…

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throwerway wrote: post #34

Because evolutionary biology is fundamentally at odds with the core tenets of Feminism. Feminism is founded on the idea that males and females are equal. Biological research over the past 30 years; specifically from the fields of genetics, behavioral ecology, and evolutionary biology; directly contradicts this premise. Evolutionary biology research tells us there are sex differences in human males and females during…

Ideological boilerplate does not move thoughtful discussion forward; it detracts from it. Please don't post like this to Hacker News.

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