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Getting flagged in 5, 4, ...

.. 3, 2, 1 ... Lets see what he wrote that was so offensive, remembering that it was to a private list and only posted to the wider Internet by Googles 'diversity' chief Danielle Brown. "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber" https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

You think a VP at Google leaked the document to the internet?

Really?

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Because evolutionary biology is fundamentally at odds with the core tenets of Feminism. Feminism is founded on the idea that males and females are equal. Biological research over the past 30 years; specifically from the fields of genetics, behavioral ecology, and evolutionary biology; directly contradicts this premise. Evolutionary biology research tells us there are sex differences in human males and females during…

And the fact that you're writing this under a throwaway drives home how difficult it is to have a discussion that goes against these ideas. You run the risk of being bullied or shamed into quitting or simply fired.

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crux of the argument was: 1. There are biological differences between men and women. 2. Because #1 and and evolutionary psychology, this makes women bad engineers. 3. Because #1 and #2, diversity programs are harmful. Saying one of those three things creates a hostile work environment. Nothing in that manifesto provided any unique, novel, or original insight. It was the same old, same-old, 'computers are for boys…

No. Arguments #2 and #3 were not made. Argument #1 is utterly uncontroversial. Please read the essay.

So, there's this thing that happens when people who lack tact say things that are true, but they get fired for it.

When you say things without tact, people hear the wrong thing, and you get the walk of shame with your cube plant out of the building.

It doesn't matter how "right" it might be.

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For the life of me I still can't figure out what he wrote that was so offensive. I see people attacking him in general terms, calling him a bigot/sexist/etc, but they never mention anything specific he wrote. Can anyone point to anything specific that is upsetting so many people?

The document is the definition of sexism and a perfect example of why we still need diversity laws and programs. Despite the attempts to provide disclaimers, many of the comments he wrote were explicitly sexist. For example the sections "Personality differences" and "Men's higher drive for status". Sexism means prejudice related to gender. Prejudice means pre-judging a group. For example the belief that women do not…

> Prejudice means pre-judging a group.

Would it be a prejudice to say women on average are less tall than men? Where do you draw the line between "pre-judgement" and "statistics" (can we call it post-judgement?). Height is OK but work drive is not OK to post-judge?

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Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names only shows how weak your side of the argument is. That's how you get 4 more years of Trump. Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments.

Yes, excellent point. I watched Dunkirk last week and was struck by the difference between the brave young men then and our cucked generation today. The British soldiers knew that they wouldn't defeat the Germans by trying to silence them: they stood there with their weapons unloaded and debated the German soldiers point-by-point about why the Nazi political program was misguided for Germany, until finally the German…

Yes, sad liberals ... Anti war is cowardice ... Kill em all ....

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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>Men and woman ARE equal.

I used to believe so, until I discovered there were thousands of studies suggesting that statistically, men and women aren't equal.

Each one of these points is backed up by dozens of statistical studies.

Are there statistical differences between males and females in height? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in athletic ability? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in memory recall? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in visuospatial ability? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in short-term mating strategies? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in long-term mating strategies? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in partner selection? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in partner commitment? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in parental investment? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in life expectancy? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in aggression? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in neuroticism? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in suicide? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in infancy and play? Yes

Are there statistical differences between males and females in wealth inheritance to children? Yes

I could make this list 200 items long, it's crazy how many studies there are out there. There's at least 50 years of research on this topic.

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

#47

For the life of me I still can't figure out what he wrote that was so offensive. I see people attacking him in general terms, calling him a bigot/sexist/etc, but they never mention anything specific he wrote. Can anyone point to anything specific that is upsetting so many people?

The statement by Google's CEO categorizes some specific sections of the the article into the "okay" bin, and some sections into the "fireable" bin. That's about as good as a start as you are likely to get. https://www.blog.google/topics/diversity/note-employees-ceo-...

> To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK

I don't know, I read the article and it seem to me his point was pretty clear that men and women have biological differences that make them drawn to different types of work, and to find enjoyment in different things.

I actually found his point in saying we should increase cooperative work (such as pair programming) to make it more desirable rather refreshing. I also am drawn to people and would find more enjoyment in more cooperative work.

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post #44
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The document is the definition of sexism and a perfect example of why we still need diversity laws and programs. Despite the attempts to provide disclaimers, many of the comments he wrote were explicitly sexist. For example the sections "Personality differences" and "Men's higher drive for status". Sexism means prejudice related to gender. Prejudice means pre-judging a group. For example the belief that women do not…

> Prejudice means pre-judging a group. Would it be a prejudice to say women on average are less tall than men? Where do you draw the line between "pre-judgement" and "statistics" (can we call it post-judgement?). Height is OK but work drive is not OK to post-judge?

In this context it's clearly a prejudicial belief that he is promoting that can have negative consequences for women.

Go ahead and bury my comments. Judges will eventually explain the laws to you people.

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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They fired him for making women and minorities at google feel unwelcome due to their gender and ethnicity respectively. That's a violation of the company code of conduct and kind of a dick move. People who work hard to become experts in their fields should not have to continually prove that they are in fact good enough and smart enough for the positions they have earned.

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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Because evolutionary biology is fundamentally at odds with the core tenets of Feminism. Feminism is founded on the idea that males and females are equal. Biological research over the past 30 years; specifically from the fields of genetics, behavioral ecology, and evolutionary biology; directly contradicts this premise. Evolutionary biology research tells us there are sex differences in human males and females during…

And the fact that you're writing this under a throwaway drives home how difficult it is to have a discussion that goes against these ideas. You run the risk of being bullied or shamed into quitting or simply fired.

:) You get it
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