Joining Apple, Amazon’s China Cloud Service Bows to Censors

Post by abiox » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 2:13 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #30

So again, companies are fighting and vocal about "freedom", equality, lgbt rights etc only when it's convinient for them, as soon as they see that it might make them lose money - they will do whatever it takes to keep that cash flowing. Look at Tim Cook, how vocal he was in US with his LGBT support and anti-Trump position and other topics, but as soon as he sees that he can lose cash from China he does almost the sam…

Post by wyager » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 2:50 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #40

wyager wrote: post #33

I'm glad everyone is so anti-censorship in this thread! Should tech companies also ignore censorship at the hands of European governments or Canada via "right to be forgotten" legislation? I seem to recall people on this site saying that it would be wrong for tech companies to resist the government in those cases. At least China isn't attempting to force censorship in other countries, unlike the Canadian government.

Google is fighting the Canadian court right now. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/google-sues-in-u...

Post by mistermann » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 3:06 PM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #117

mistermann wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

South Africa is tiny, China is an 800 pound gorilla upon which the majority of the world's manufacturing depends. The decision of whether to "play ball" with China needs to be made at the government level, and 10+ years ago. It's too late now, the horse is out of the barn. China, and only China , will decide how they act on the world stage.

Why are you acting like Apple is the first company to face this dilemma? Google faced a decade ago and chose not to play ball with China with no assistance from any government.

Post by mistermann » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 3:11 PM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #114

mistermann wrote: post #104

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"We're" already in trouble. Just like HN commenters wisely advise not to build your company on top of someone else's service, the entire planet has built their service on China's manufacturing. The thinking (if there even was any, I personally doubt it) was that we'd just use them for labor intensive but low intellectual assembly work, but it seems no one considered if China was happy to continue being the servant of…

Amazon's Cloud services aren't made in China - it's the Chinese market they want, not Chinese factories. China depends on foreign markets for its factories output, but generally isn't as keen on having its (huge) market buying foreign goods and services. Having saturated their other markets, Western companies are desperate to tap into China to keep their growth numbers.

Post by abiox » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 3:47 PM UTC

Buge wrote: post #158

abiox wrote: post #149

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are you suggesting that apple engage in illegal activities?

Do you consider Google to be engaging in illegal activities by refusing to censor content according to China's wishes? Then yes, I am suggested Apple engage in illegal activities.