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Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Fear of the Government that is even in your pocket?! As someone who grew up in the East Block, reading such naive comments as yours leaves me divided. It's good on one hand that you've never came even close to an oppressive government so not even your imagination allows you to grok. On the other hand facing the development in the world, it's quite concerning.

> As someone who grew up in the East Block so you grew up in the old communist eastern bloc, and you want to blindly compare what you suffered back then to what is happening in China now? I didn't grew up in communism, I grew up after the 1978 reform in China. My entire extended family work for the private sector with my closest family members running their own successful private businesses. Did you guys have that in…

First: congratulations to you for not being one of those who have to suffer in your country! You must be so proud. Do you think with this wage inequality in your country, you are representative for the Chinese population?

> I got Internet connection back in the early 90s and I have been openly posting comments on Chinese forums criticising some of CCP's policies for the last 20 years.

I don't know what you have been criticizing there or how but you are aware that your government puts even artists in jails for "criticizing" are you? Why do you think they force Apple to take those VPN apps down if free speech is no problem?!

We also have those people moaning up to today how good it was because back then in socialist utopia, they just needed to know the right people or be in the party. Everything else worked for them then. Today they have to face real competition, rules and regulations. They fail now and therefore tend to support other radical parties that may bring them their former benefits back. This is why you see so many of those methods and ideologies coming back on the right in former East Block countries. So no...it's not about socialism. As bad as it was. It's humans, power, influence and money.

And no my eastern block motherland did not encourage me to exploit western countries education systems so I can learn how to exploit/manipulate the economic system too and come back afterwards. The best (or wealthiest, most influence see above) were able to go to Russia though and we were not so brain washed due to the lack of the media flood so people who left, stayed in the West. In the end the system broke apart and Democracy and the Free Market replaced it. Learn something.

> Chinese killed that rubbish back in 1978. Learn something.

Well...good luck on your next election then!

You make it look like your country did not become some scary undemocratic thought police thing. There is a reason why you don't write "free market economy" as anybody else from the west would in such a glorification speech. You depend on a illusion of economic stability just like the socialist systems back then. The only difference is now that because you've been the sweatshop for the rest of the world for so long, the world thinks it depends on the continuation of the show. We'll see how that will work out in the end. Your government doesn't think it will end good or it wouldn't implement those crowd control mechanisms and make people disappear who may cause critical thinking in the first place

Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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> But it's not the role of corporate to white knighting a country cultural revolution. You are aware that that is just your arbitrary declaration of what you think their role should be, right? I hereby declare that their role is to do just that. What now?

now china boots you out and you lose a huge market for nothing. oh, and the competitor now enjoying the higher margins will use that money to boost their brand globally, so now you've got less margin and more competition.

How do you know that?

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Google went back to China. They have offices and employees. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/07/google-is-going-on-a-hiring-...

To my knowledge, there are no Google services in China. Are search, gmail, Play Store, etc working?

I can get my mail from imap.googlemail.com without a VPN, but everything else I tried is blocked.

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> What can a dictator do that Xi Jinping can't? Stay in power for as long as he wants, and then pass the leadership to his child.

It's unclear that Xi cannot pull that off.

Well if he does that, then I would call him a dictator.

But if he does not, I hope you would stop calling him that.

Also, there was no precedence in PRC for such thing.

Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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What happens in China now could happen in 5 years in the rest of the world. For "security" reasons or "fight agains terrorism", while it's really a fight between those in power and those who want power :-( The need for IPFS, webRTC and other non-centralized protocols becomes more pressing every day, to defend everyone who is stuck in between.

> What happens in China now could happen in 5 years in the rest of the world.

China? This has been happening in the US and Europe for years.

Look how heavily censored all social media is now.

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I expect Apple to respect universal human rights regardless of the context. Freedom of speech is foundational. And this isn't a China-vs-the-West thing. The idea that people deserve and need to be able to communicate freely predates the current governments of both China and the U.S.

It's been known for years that Apple is actively against freedom of speech when it comes to its marketplace. Why would you expect it to make an exception for China ?

Apple probably has more incentive to hold onto that fat margin China provides with their labor -- don't want to anger the Chinese gov't.

Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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You cannot do business in China without doing what they tell you. Period. Either you do it or you leave. I work for a big company (you would all know) and we have a large business unit in China, they own 52% of it. They decide what goes in and how customers can use it. We don't get to decide anything without government approval. It's so easy to claim the West shouldn't do what the leadership of China wants in China,…

>They decide what goes in and how customers can use it. We don't get to decide anything without government approval.

Then how can anyone really say that they are doing business in china? When it's the government calling all the shots and taking the lion's share of profits?

What is a foreign business in china, besides a brand-on-loan-to-the-government (that they pay you for using)?

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The private company argument has limits. Common carrier status for one. At least in the EU there also are exemptions for repairing and interoperability. In my opinion repairability should extend to the ability for the owner of a device to side-load any software. If apple wants to police their own app-store, fine. But they shouldn't be allowed to exclude installation through other means. If they had not complete contr…

You can load your own software on to an iOS device provided you have access to the code. AFAIK iOS dev tools that enable you to load apps onto the device no longer require the $99 annual fee so if you download them you can side-load software.

This post claims otherwise: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14880751

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> As someone who grew up in the East Block so you grew up in the old communist eastern bloc, and you want to blindly compare what you suffered back then to what is happening in China now? I didn't grew up in communism, I grew up after the 1978 reform in China. My entire extended family work for the private sector with my closest family members running their own successful private businesses. Did you guys have that in…

And yet using a VPN is still somehow "against the will of the people" ...

You'll notice the same usernames and patterns of argumentation every time there is an article with comments remotely criticizing (or even questioning) China.

Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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You get 10 days before your app stops working and you have to do it again. It's a real pain in the butt.

Where do you get that from? Creating app with your own dev account can run on your device for more than 10 days... [Update] ok I just checked the limitation of the free dev account, and yes because of certificates it is only valid for 7 days... I was thinking about the regular $$ account.

When it was first introduced it was longer. Apple then cracked down on that and made the limit more restrictive.
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