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Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by KC8ZKF »

lixquid wrote: post #116
thaumasiotes wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened: - A message telling me where the picture went. - The picture showing up on the desktop. - The picture showing up in "Documents". - The picture showing up in "Pictures". But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a so…

I'm sure you probably discovered this by now, but the image is kept in memory until it is "saved" via the Save menu. The UX could probably do with some improvement showing that the image is not automatically saved to disk, like scrot or OSX's Image Capture shortcuts, though.

> "saved" via the Save menu.

Where is this menu?

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by carlosrg »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #86
opdahl wrote: post #11

What is, and has been great about MS Paint is that no matter what Windows machine I have been on, I know that I have had it available. No matter if it's my old grandma's computer, if I have needed to quickly do something simple with an image, MS Paint has always been there for me. Now that will no longer be the case. If I have to download and install it on the computer before I use it, then what is the point? It will…

More pertinently, what happens when your grandma searches for "MS Paint" in the Store, other than needing an account? We all know the store is mostly trash and I have no doubt that people pushing their trash will leap on this chance to flood the search results for relevant keywords.

Free applications can be downloaded without an account. I downloaded Spotify from the Store without being logged.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

#153

Post by joosters »

skrebbel wrote: post #139
morrbo wrote: post #130

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I don't understand the shock here? Large corporations don't want users installing random apps. I don't see why an NHS laptop, for example, should have Bejewelled installed, or some dodgy app which gives permissions to the user's drives, and uploads files. Similarly, though admittedly not a problem in the same way with Windows store apps, to Chrome extensions. Those working in secretive environments with naive users s…

I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

If an organisation is locking down their computers, they hopefully have set permissions correctly to prevent users from running untrusted programs, no matter what the source.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

#154

Post by carlosrg »

This thread shows clearly the negativity around everything Microsoft does, especially if you compare to other technology companies. Apple deprecates some API or removes a feature? "It's the future, you have to adapt, etc" Microsoft deprecates a toy program made 25 years ago, but still offers the option of downloading it for free? "How dare they, I want it in the base install, etc"

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by pjc50 »

simonh wrote: post #144
skrebbel wrote: post #139

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I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

I work in finance. Most web sites you could download an exe from are blocked, downloading exes is disabled and running installers is restricted to admin accounts by group policy. If you do get round all that and do it anyway and you're caught, theres a good chance you'll be fired. One issue is that some classes of users and locations (e.g. Trading floors) are restricted by law concerning the communications systems th…

Bloomberg chat, the Slack of LIBOR fixing.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by vermontdevil »

carlosrg wrote: post #154

This thread shows clearly the negativity around everything Microsoft does, especially if you compare to other technology companies. Apple deprecates some API or removes a feature? "It's the future, you have to adapt, etc" Microsoft deprecates a toy program made 25 years ago, but still offers the option of downloading it for free? "How dare they, I want it in the base install, etc"

I've seen Apple and Google get plenty of criticism for whatever actions they do.

There should be a type of law like Poes Law to describe this behavior.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by anonymfus »

garaetjjte wrote: post #136
merijnv wrote: post #114

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> Pinball had to be removed for this sort of reason. What? No. It was removed because it was a 32bit application written by a 3rd party and there was a hard to fix bug on 64bit windows that made it unplayable, so they dropped it. Source: Raymond Chen - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20121218-00/?p=...

That doesn't make sense, it could be run on WoW64. (even Visual Studio is 32-bit)

Visual Studio is not a part of Windows.

From Raymond Chen's answer to this question in the first comment to the same blog post:

> That would have been even more work, because there was at the time no infrastructure in Setup for having 32-bit-only components. (And then automatically uninstalling it when WOW64 was disabled.)

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by Alexis66 »

vermontdevil wrote: post #156
carlosrg wrote: post #154

This thread shows clearly the negativity around everything Microsoft does, especially if you compare to other technology companies. Apple deprecates some API or removes a feature? "It's the future, you have to adapt, etc" Microsoft deprecates a toy program made 25 years ago, but still offers the option of downloading it for free? "How dare they, I want it in the base install, etc"

I've seen Apple and Google get plenty of criticism for whatever actions they do. There should be a type of law like Poes Law to describe this behavior.

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Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by roryisok »

BrockSamson wrote: post #140
proactivesvcs wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...the integrated advertising platform, cloud software, the mandatory spying components...

This is my problem with Windows 10. It is no longer an operating system it is an advertising platform.

It's both. Having ads on some apps doesn't make it not an OS anymore. I won't deny it's an advertising platform, just like android or ios or television or radio or the internet. And while it's equally annoying on all those media/systems, it doesn't lessen their or usefulness

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by rphlx »

carlosrg wrote: post #154

This thread shows clearly the negativity around everything Microsoft does, especially if you compare to other technology companies. Apple deprecates some API or removes a feature? "It's the future, you have to adapt, etc" Microsoft deprecates a toy program made 25 years ago, but still offers the option of downloading it for free? "How dare they, I want it in the base install, etc"

Microsoft has a serious and ongoing PR crisis, and not just for historical reasons (90s antitrust, etc).

There are undoubtedly many highly intelligent, well-meaning people working there, but the ongoing occurrence of highly-publicized customer screwage - such as the aggressive telemetry in W10 - and the ongoing security negligence (e.g. in failing to properly audit & fully close SMB RCEs) seems to totally undermine any goodwill created by specific products or teams within the company.

As a result the press cuts them little to no slack, and they do get hammered for things that AAPL/GOOG/FB/... could probably quietly get away with.

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