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Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by jansho » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:46 AM UTC

Jaruzel wrote: post #92

thaumasiotes wrote: post #82

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Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened: - A message telling me where the picture went. - The picture showing up on the desktop. - The picture showing up in "Documents". - The picture showing up in "Pictures". But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a so…

You can also open up MS Word (almost guaranteed to be installed on a locked down corporate Windows machine), and paste the image into a blank document. For bonus points you can then right click the pasted image, and select 'Save As PNG'.

Still a bit clunky. I'm also a fan of using Paint for simple screenshots. You can do it without thinking, and with just the keyboard!

1) Printscreen 2) control + v on paint 3) control + s and type in image name

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by kennydude » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:49 AM UTC

chrisper wrote: post #59

wvenable wrote: post #27

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I think it's a good thing that Microsoft is reducing the size of their base OS and decoupling many of the apps from the Windows release cycle. It definitely does, however, feel like the end of a era.

Hopefully they continue by removing: Candy Crush, "Get Office", Minecraft, ... and all other trash that gets installed by default.

I remember Windows XP where all of the extras were tiny and actually good. From what I've seen even stuff like Solitaire has ads these days :G

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by Schlaefer » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:52 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #82

hougaard wrote: post #67

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Shift-WindowsKey+S is the new screen snipping tool. Built right into the OS.

Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened: - A message telling me where the picture went. - The picture showing up on the desktop. - The picture showing up in "Documents". - The picture showing up in "Pictures". But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a so…

> opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a solution that will be available on a machine without Paint.

You will have Paint 3D and the first three buttons you see after opening the app are "New", "Open" and "Paste" (with a clipboard icon(!)).

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by merijnv » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:55 AM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #46

toast0 wrote: post #41

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I'm not sure I would consider paint at the forefront of bloat, given that the base OS runs in the tens of gigs. I wouldn't be surprised if the default background image is larger than mspaint.exe. To say nothing of the store apps they auto install for you.

It's not necessarily the size of the executable but rather that it's another executable the part of the build and test process of the base image. Pinball had to be removed for this sort of reason.

> Pinball had to be removed for this sort of reason.

What? No. It was removed because it was a 32bit application written by a 3rd party and there was a hard to fix bug on 64bit windows that made it unplayable, so they dropped it.

Source: Raymond Chen - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20121218-00/?p=...

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by antod » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:55 AM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #46

toast0 wrote: post #41

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I'm not sure I would consider paint at the forefront of bloat, given that the base OS runs in the tens of gigs. I wouldn't be surprised if the default background image is larger than mspaint.exe. To say nothing of the store apps they auto install for you.

It's not necessarily the size of the executable but rather that it's another executable the part of the build and test process of the base image. Pinball had to be removed for this sort of reason.

I was under the impression pinball was removed because it was basically unsupportable and too had too much low level hacky graphics code to port across changes in the graphics subsystems. A shame though, it was a fun game.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by lixquid » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:57 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #82

hougaard wrote: post #67

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Shift-WindowsKey+S is the new screen snipping tool. Built right into the OS.

Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened: - A message telling me where the picture went. - The picture showing up on the desktop. - The picture showing up in "Documents". - The picture showing up in "Pictures". But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a so…

I'm sure you probably discovered this by now, but the image is kept in memory until it is "saved" via the Save menu.

The UX could probably do with some improvement showing that the image is not automatically saved to disk, like scrot or OSX's Image Capture shortcuts, though.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by Klathmon » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 7:58 AM UTC

richev wrote: post #109

chrismorgan wrote: post #84

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That was how it was branded—Paint 3D replaced mspaint.exe and it was positioned as an upgrade (Paint → Paint 3D). But there was substantial backlash when Paint 3D didn’t do all that mspaint.exe had done, and Microsoft caved to pressure and put mspaint.exe back a build or two later.

Hardly an "upgrade" if functionality that people use gets removed...

Something can still be an upgrade for the vast majority even if it doesn't do 100% of the same stuff as it's predecessor...

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by Zardoz84 » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 8:01 AM UTC

keithnz wrote: post #83

aphextron wrote: post #42

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>What is, and has been great about MS Paint is that no matter what Windows machine I have been on, I know that I have had it available. Completely agreed. This is basically Microsoft officially confirming that yes, MSPaint will be gone from Windows. Seems kind of senseless.

just use paint 3d, I just tried it out, seems a simple enough replacement for most simple editing tasks

If MS can do something worse that MS Paint, is MS Paint 3d.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by pluma » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 8:01 AM UTC

Schlaefer wrote: post #113

thaumasiotes wrote: post #82

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Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened: - A message telling me where the picture went. - The picture showing up on the desktop. - The picture showing up in "Documents". - The picture showing up in "Pictures". But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a so…

> opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a solution that will be available on a machine without Paint. You will have Paint 3D and the first three buttons you see after opening the app are "New", "Open" and "Paste" (with a clipboard icon(!)).

Somewhat off-topic, but I just realized (maybe because I'm a non-native speaker and barely ever use applications which have icons for "copy" and "paste") that "clipboard" in software and physical "clipboards" are two entirely unrelated concepts for me. So much so that I only just remembered that the paste icon represents a physical clipboard rather than simply some abstract brown rectangle with an abstract white rectangle on it.

EDIT: Maybe it doesn't help that in German Windows calls the clipboard the "Zwischenablage" (temporary storage) whereas the German word for "clipboard" would be "Klemmbrett" -- the German version actually seems to use a more abstract concept rather than the same direct metaphor as in English. Weird.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by AstralStorm » Tue, Jul 25, 2017, 8:01 AM UTC

starquake wrote: post #104

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #93

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"Windows Store is a secure app delivery platform" Ha ha ...

Some motivation for your reaction would be great!

It is not vetted properly nor delivers apps people need. Other than the stupid forced ones that is.

Additionally it does not work properly without a Microsoft account (could've changed) forcing it to be off if Active Domain is used.