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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by cpncrunch »

spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

>It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

What if you're not overweight and get a lot of exercise? My goal is to put on weight and not have meat sweats at night, so perhaps I should actually be taking more sugary drinks with my meals.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by Meditato »

nthcolumn wrote: post #107
ulber wrote: post #4

Often people are wary of new results about health, so it's worth pointing out that this paper is rigorous and the conclusion is very likely to be correct, as explained by this comment on Reddit's /r/science [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6oufus/comment/dkk...

Oh shit if its peer reviewed by reddit then hold the cola.

Sites where content and forums can be user-generated are not monoliths. There is no "reddit" as a proper singular noun.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by rebuilder »

cma wrote: post #50
rebuilder wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving the mass of a human body over a mile on one tablespoon of fuel is highly efficient! Edit: tablespoon, not tea-

Trains do about 30 times better on a tablespoon of diesel, and that's only including the weight of the freight and not the train itself.

I knew I was asking for trouble, generalizing peanut butter into fuel...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by jack9 »

caminante wrote: post #119
tentaTherapist wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case an appeal to nature is not fallacious, although it lacked the appropriate justification.

No, it's still a fallacy. By providing "appropriate justification," it'd no longer be a fallacy.

Isn't a fallacy a false (baseless) justification? I'm not sure how providing justification changes a fallacy.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by adrianN »

Swizec wrote: post #147
adrianN wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have many biomarkers that can be measured cheaply and say something about your expected remaining healthspan.

Don't weight and bodyfat% have high correlation to lifespan? You can get a good enough scale for both for pretty cheap. Fitbits and such also measure resting heart rate for cheap. As far as I've heard, that correlates well to lifespan as well.

You can control your weight and bodyfat reasonably well on a diet that consists solely of Twinkies, so only measuring those won't tell you much about the quality of your diet.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by 0xbear »

asp_hornet wrote: post #160
0xbear wrote: post #101

Does someone know of any serious "weight loss" books that are _rigorously evidence based_, without layman explanations, bad/outdated research, and bovine manure like confusing correlation with causation or relying on small, unrandomized population studies to confirm the author's preconceived notions for how things should be? I mean real, hard ass summary of today's best, most rigorous studies + some recommendations.

"better than steroids" by Dr Warren Wiley. Although it might be more focused for athletes than what you are after. And yes, the title is sensationalized, in the first few pages the author admits it.

I am an "athlete". Not a competitive one, but I do lift pretty heavy. Thanks for the recommendation.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DrScump »

joveian wrote: post #150
ulber wrote: post #4

Often people are wary of new results about health, so it's worth pointing out that this paper is rigorous and the conclusion is very likely to be correct, as explained by this comment on Reddit's /r/science [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6oufus/comment/dkk...

However: * the "multiply p value by ten" rule would exclude the main results (but not some well known findings) * paper does not have much discussion of context or past results * paper does not have any scatter plots or show individual data at all for the primary results; there are scatter plots under additional files for oxidation vs. lean body mass and vs. fat mass and 24 hour energy expenditure vs fat mass * there…

  the possibility that gut microbial response ... might cause the differences
This will eventually be proven to be a significant factor, IMHO.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DrScump »

hahajk wrote: post #89
spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

On the flip side, the idea of drinking mainly non-alcoholic water also emerged only in the past couple decades. Humans have been drinking beer/mead/wine since prehistory, which are basically sugar sweetened drinks left to ferment.

This wasn't predominant in rural areas; it became necessary in cities/towns where sewage wasn't kept out of drinking water sources. If your water is unsafe, beer or ale becomes your standard beverage (except when the water is boiled, e.g. for tea or coffee).

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DrScump »

draw_down wrote: post #84
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fruit that they used to have probably didn't resemble what you can go out and buy these days either. However, I don't think that looking at what humans ate millennia ago is a good indication of what we should do.

God forbid we discover our ancestors used to eat dirt.

Many animals do, especially clay compounds that absorb toxins.

Even parrots have been observed eating clay soils in the wild.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DrScump »

aaron695 wrote: post #75
gaius wrote: post #21

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Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

> Fruit juice Coke is better. It has similar sugar levels but has caffeine which seems to be good for you. Fruit juice with fibre is better, but like most loopholes really you are just fooling yourself. So at least with coke people seem to know it's bad so I'd stick with that. Then there's coke zero that's better for you than water. (But not for your teeth)

For many consumers (including the USA), Coke has HFCS instead of sucrose.
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