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Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by cududa »

johnny_and1 wrote: post #43
DanBC wrote: post #7

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> And the fact that so many normally sedentary people were getting up and going out and doing shit and getting exercise A minor nit, but Pokemon go did not increase activity levels for most players. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/12December/Pages/Pok%C3%A9mon-no... http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i6270

It just increased general phone usage by ~16% per day. Daily path length stayed the same. (Source: study on 2800 phone users that played Pokemon GO. Data collected for at least 4 weeks having the first gaming session in the middle. Data was collected through an app that monitors your phone usage, no self-reported data. Will be presented at MobileHCI '17)

Too small a sample size for physical activity (fine for HCI, though) and was probably orchestrated after the hype of it. Does this paper live in those parameters?

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by cududa »

rocky1138 wrote: post #60
function_seven wrote: post #32

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Enforce existing laws on the people who are to blame. Fine them for littering. As far as flower-trampling, just shrug and wait for the fad to pass. It's not a big deal.

A city may cite a citizen for mischief or perhaps vandalism for flower-trampling.

Great, sounds like a solution to me!

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by PeterisP »

ajmurmann wrote: post #66
PeterisP wrote: post #49

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Large numbers of people visiting part sounds like a success - the only purpose why the park exists in the first place is so that the residents can go there and visit, so if they're doing it more than before then the park is achieving it's goal and it's great! It would be reasonable to expect that the job of these city officials should be to (a) encourage the people to visit parks even more; and (b) maintain the parks…

They weren't there though to enjoy there park they were there because of the game. Not even because the park is a great environment to play there have but because the game encouraged to be in that place. If the game had put all the rare Pokemon in a parking lot that's probably were people would have gone. Were people there to enjoy nature? I doubt it.

They enjoyed the park because they were able to play the game in a nice park instead of on that parking lot. The park is there so that people can spend time in a nicer place, and it is "doing its job" no matter if they're just walking there, having a picnic, playing ball, sitting on a bench, jogging or playing a game.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by dmurray »

gozur88 wrote: post #45
Sharlin wrote: post #36

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The idea of parks having opening hours is so completely alien to me that I don't even know where to begin...

If you leave parks open at night you have to provide quite a bit extra policing. Otherwise they get taken over by hookers and junkies, and normal people won't go there. That kind of policing is the first thing that gets cut when cities run out of money, at least in my area, so they close the parks at night.

In my city they close the small parks (1-10 blocks, surrounded by cast iron railings) but can't do anything about the huge park that covers several square kilometres and has important roads running through it. There are some hookers and junkies and doggers there at night, but they have to go somewhere and they don't bother the "normal people" who are, after all, tucked up in bed at that time.

All this suggests that locking parks overnight is more about every government's burning desire to "think of the children" and control everything possible than any legitimate concern for public safety.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by minikites »

barsonme wrote: post #64
minikites wrote: post #24

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The right does their best to cut government revenue via lower taxes, so how do you propose maintaining infrastructure with less income?

Sure, and the left just takes that money and spends it on "entitlements" (quotes used on purpose). We could play this game for days if you wanted.

I specifically omitted my own value judgement so it's amusing to see value judgements projected upon me via downvotes and snarky comments. If you think a neutral restatement of commonly trumpeted goals and their direct outcomes is a political jab then I think it says more about you than it does about me.

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Post by syshum »

ecnahc515 wrote: post #46
syshum wrote: post #37

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Make people that use the resources pay for them. the national parks are almost fully funded by the people that visit them. I do not use any of the Local Parks, I do not pay Pokemon Go, I do not have a use for either People that use the parks should pay for them, then if there is an increase in activity from something like Pokemon Go that means Revenue also increases to pay for the increased costs to maintain the asse…

Unfortunately, if parks were mostly paid by the people using them, we would have no parks. Most people won't pay to use a park, and would instead just no go. Additionally, it's often extremely difficult to force people to pay to use your park. It's different with national parks which people travel to for the sole purpose of going to the park, but local parks, lakes, etc will have a much more difficult time making peo…

>>Unfortunately, if parks were mostly paid by the people using them, we would have no parks.

I am fine with that, it is not ethical to take money from people by force to pay for things like this, if their was value in the community for a park then the community would find a way to voluntarily pay for it, if there are not enough voluntary support in the community to fund the park then the park should not exist

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by johnny_and1 »

cududa wrote: post #71
johnny_and1 wrote: post #43

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It just increased general phone usage by ~16% per day. Daily path length stayed the same. (Source: study on 2800 phone users that played Pokemon GO. Data collected for at least 4 weeks having the first gaming session in the middle. Data was collected through an app that monitors your phone usage, no self-reported data. Will be presented at MobileHCI '17)

Too small a sample size for physical activity (fine for HCI, though) and was probably orchestrated after the hype of it. Does this paper live in those parameters?

Initial sample size was 21k users but we've reduced it to the people that filled some questionnaire regarding demographics and personality traits. To which parameters are you referring?

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by SerLava »

jarboot wrote: post #61
badgers wrote: post #11

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For some background into the phenomenon that was Lake Park last summer, there was a large concentration of Pokestops around Lake Park in a relatively small area. In Pokemon GO there are geographic boundaries that make up biomes in the game which determine which Pokemon to spawn, for instance if you're near a source of water there is a high chance you will encounter water Pokemon. Lake Park appeared to not have any bi…

I spent a lot of time at lake Park for pokemon go almost exactly a year ago! It was basically a huge party and a great example of how AR could bring people together.

It was amazing. You could talk to anybody - everyone was very positive. I haven't seen anything like it since.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by SerLava »

syshum wrote: post #76
ecnahc515 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, if parks were mostly paid by the people using them, we would have no parks. Most people won't pay to use a park, and would instead just no go. Additionally, it's often extremely difficult to force people to pay to use your park. It's different with national parks which people travel to for the sole purpose of going to the park, but local parks, lakes, etc will have a much more difficult time making peo…

>>Unfortunately, if parks were mostly paid by the people using them, we would have no parks. I am fine with that, it is not ethical to take money from people by force to pay for things like this, if their was value in the community for a park then the community would find a way to voluntarily pay for it, if there are not enough voluntary support in the community to fund the park then the park should not exist

Ugh, it's a park... relax.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by barsonme »

minikites wrote: post #75
barsonme wrote: post #64

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Sure, and the left just takes that money and spends it on "entitlements" (quotes used on purpose). We could play this game for days if you wanted.

I specifically omitted my own value judgement so it's amusing to see value judgements projected upon me via downvotes and snarky comments. If you think a neutral restatement of commonly trumpeted goals and their direct outcomes is a political jab then I think it says more about you than it does about me.

Judgement does not need to be blatant in a statement for it to have been cast. At any rate, I think my response was sufficient in that I don't really care which party has control of the pocketbook, they both have an obligation to spend money on infrastructure and they both find ways not to, even if it's a common goal.
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